{"id":434,"date":"2003-04-15T15:46:34","date_gmt":"2003-04-15T20:46:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=434"},"modified":"2003-04-15T15:46:34","modified_gmt":"2003-04-15T20:46:34","slug":"living_waters_r","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/04\/15\/living_waters_r.html","title":{"rendered":"Living waters, redux"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It sounds like the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/04\/05\/living_waters.html\">&#8220;Coercive Baptisms&#8221; incident <\/a>might be <a href=\"http:\/\/volokh.blogspot.com\/2003_04_13_volokh_archive.html#200152366\">cleared up<\/a>.  The army probe has exonerated the chaplain, saying that the facts don&#8217;t support the story as it appeared.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">&#8220;I am confident that Chaplain (Josh) Llano does not, has not and will not use coercion in the exercise of his official responsibilities,&#8221; said Chaplain (Col.) Al Buckner, director of operations at the Army&#8217;s chief of chaplains office at the Pentagon, in a statement.<br \/>\nA report from the Knight Ridder news agency about Llano&#8217;s possible exchange of baptisms for baths prompted strong criticism from organizations concerned about church-state separation.  That news story stated that the 32-year-old chaplain, who described himself as a &#8220;Southern Baptist evangelist,&#8221; told a reporter: &#8220;It&#8217;s simple. They want water. I have it, as long as they agree to get baptized.&#8221;<br \/>\nA statement from the U.S. Army&#8217;s Office of the Chief of Public Affairs said Llano does not recall making such a statement.  &#8220;He did make some of the remarks the reporter attributed to him, but not all to her, and not in the context or with the intent the article appeared to suggest,&#8221; the statement reads.<br \/>\nThe Army said soldiers at Camp Bushmaster were not suffering from a water shortage and the chaplain was only given water for baptism after water needs of the soldiers were met.  &#8220;Soldiers had no need to resort to being baptized to get clean,&#8221; the Army said.<\/p>\n<p>(Volokh was unable to find the news online.  The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.religionnews.com\/\">RNS <\/a>is a subscription service; I can find the headline for the story on their site, but can&#8217;t pull up the text.  I&#8217;m a bit surprised I can&#8217;t find the story elsewhere, though, since this is dated the 11th.)<\/p>\n<p><u>UPDATE<\/u>:  Ah.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sbcbaptistpress.org\/bpnews.asp?ID=15722\">Here we go<\/a>, with more details.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It sounds like the &#8220;Coercive Baptisms&#8221; incident might be cleared up. 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