{"id":43916,"date":"2014-07-28T13:30:19","date_gmt":"2014-07-28T19:30:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/07\/28\/universalism-eek.html"},"modified":"2014-07-29T13:11:59","modified_gmt":"2014-07-29T19:11:59","slug":"universalism-eek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/07\/28\/universalism-eek.html","title":{"rendered":"Universalism! Eek!"},"content":{"rendered":"
I get the OneNewsNow e-newsletter, mostly for a chuckle. This particular article caught my eye because I've seen an increasing acceptance of universalist ideas among Christians I've chatted with, and consider myself a universalist as well (http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Universal_reconciliation<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Universalism remains highly controversial amongst more conservative Christians, though — it ain't Christianity for them if some folk aren't roasting in Hell for eternity — so I expect to see some interesting fire and brimstone in this article.<\/p>\n

Instead, it just seems to be general gobsmacked wonderment that some folk — including some otherwise respectable Christian thinkers — seem to be going soft on damnation, as part and parcel of favoring gay marriage. \u00a0And where, the author asks, does it end? \u00a0I mean, does this mean that Jews might also be eventually accepted by God? Muslims? Heaven, even Buddhists and Atheists?<\/p>\n

Eek!<\/p>\n

It's amusing, just because it's presented as so incomprehensible a notion that anyone in their right mind might believe in a God of universal love so great and powerful that even folks as off-kilter as myself and<\/i> Michael Brown might actually eventually be joined in it. \u00a0I mean, madness, right? \u00a0All one need do is simply point it out and wait for the flabbergastment to commence!<\/p>\n

Frankly, sounds like a fine idea to me. Maybe Dr. Brown ought to give it some thought.\ufeff<\/p><\/div>\n

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Universalism is next for the soft love crowd<\/a>
\n Just watch and see – as churches and church leaders become more embracing of committed, homosexual couples, they will move further and further away from the preaching of future wrath and divine judgment, ultimately embracing universalism in one form or another.\n <\/p>\n

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I get the OneNewsNow e-newsletter, mostly for a chuckle. This particular article caught my eye because I've seen an increasing acceptance of universalist ideas among Christians I've chatted with, and consider myself a universalist as well (http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Universal_reconciliation). Universalism remains highly controversial amongst more conservative Christians, though — it ain't Christianity for them if some folk … Continue reading “Universalism! 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