{"id":44673,"date":"2014-08-28T08:41:16","date_gmt":"2014-08-28T14:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/08\/28\/marriage-isnt-a-right-its-a-way-to-control-heterosexuals.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T14:13:23","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T21:13:23","slug":"marriage-isnt-a-right-its-a-way-to-control-heterosexuals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/08\/28\/marriage-isnt-a-right-its-a-way-to-control-heterosexuals.html","title":{"rendered":"Marriage isn't a right, it's a way to control heterosexuals"},"content":{"rendered":"
That seems to be the core argument made by\u00a0Indiana Solicitor General Thomas Fisher before the 7th Circuit. Sure, marriage comes with all sorts of societal and legal benefits, but the state isn't required to extend it to gays because, well, gay couples can already adopt in Indiana, and, those benefits aren't not the purpose of marriage:<\/p>\n

JUDGE WILLIAMS: Okay, then are you saying same-sex couples cannot successfully raise children?
FISHER: Absolutely not.
JUDGE WILLIAMS: Well, if Indiana's law is about successfully raising children and you agree same-sex couples can successfully raise children, why shouldn't the ban lifted as to them?
FISHER: I think the assumption is that with opposite-sex couples there is very little thought given during the sexual act, sometimes, to whether babies may be a consequence.
JUDGE WILLIAMS: So because gay and homosexual couples actually choose to be parents, choose to take on that obligation, that difference of choice is \u2014 you're, you're setting that up differently than accidental. So I mean, here are people who want to have children, know they want to have children, it is not accidental, they make that commitment to raise the children. I just don't get that, it's another aspect of what Judge Posner is raising.
FISHER: And I think the working assumption there, your honor, is that, in that circumstance, the state doesn't need to nudge those couples to stay together. There already is that working understanding. With opposite-sex couples it may be a fleeting moment of passion that leads to a child and that's what we're trying to address, trying to deal with the consequences.<\/p>\n

So even though marriage is (in the Official State of Indiana court position) all about the successful raising of kids, gay couples don't need<\/i> marriage and all its benefits because, well, they end up with kids intentionally,<\/i> so they've already thought it through and know what to expect and commit to as a couple. Whereas we flighty, thoughtless, love-em-and-leave-em straights, well, we need to be "nudged"<\/i> into becoming a formal couple and support system for the children we spawn from our "fleeting moment of passion."<\/p>\n

And that's apparently the state's argument: straights<\/b> are creatures of irresponsible passion, so the state has to encourage them to be responsible; gays<\/b> are thoughtful and deliberate in starting a family, so they don't need any marriage-related incentives to be good parents.<\/p>\n

That's a rather ironic turn-around in justifying discrimination.\ufeff<\/p><\/div>\n

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Federal Judge Appointed By Ronald Reagan Shreds Indiana’s Lawyer During Oral Arguments About Indiana’s Gay Marriage Ban<\/a>
\n You’ll want to listen to Indiana Solicitor General Thomas Fisher try to defend Indiana’s ban on same-sex marriage before the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals…\n <\/p>\n

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That seems to be the core argument made by\u00a0Indiana Solicitor General Thomas Fisher before the 7th Circuit. Sure, marriage comes with all sorts of societal and legal benefits, but the state isn't required to extend it to gays because, well, gay couples can already adopt in Indiana, and, those benefits aren't not the purpose of … Continue reading “Marriage isn't a right, it's a way to control heterosexuals”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,718],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44673","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-marriage-equality"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":44922,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/09\/05\/judge-posners-smack-down-on-wisconsin-and-indiana.html","url_meta":{"origin":44673,"position":0},"title":"Judge Posner's smack-down on Wisconsin and Indiana","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 5-Sep-14 4:44am","format":false,"excerpt":"Yeah, there are some lovely turns of phrase here. 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