{"id":45030,"date":"2014-09-08T08:30:51","date_gmt":"2014-09-08T14:30:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/09\/08\/scotland-the-independent.html"},"modified":"2014-09-15T14:23:17","modified_gmt":"2014-09-15T20:23:17","slug":"scotland-the-independent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/09\/08\/scotland-the-independent.html","title":{"rendered":"Scotland the Independent?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have a little bit of skin in the game &#8212; relatives living (at least part time) in Scotland, and business travel takes me to Glasgow every year or two (in fact, I&#39;ll be there in early October, after the vote). But I honestly don&#39;t have a strong feel for the history nor current issues driving the vote one way or the other.<\/p>\n<p>The American in me likes to think that it&#39;s better to learn to work together, rather than breaking apart. The atomization of Europe&#39;s ethnic nations over the past century has often happened for legitimate reasons (usually political, social, cultural, and economic dominance by a majority over a minority), but sometimes they&#39;ve seemed drive more by desires to identify with a smaller tribe, whether it makes sense or not.<\/p>\n<p>Scotland is, for various reasons, being given an all-or-nothing alternative, whereas a greater devolution of authority or creation of a federal system (as in the US) could accomplish much of what I suspect the middle ground wants. It will be interesting to see what they decide, and what that then means.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p>\n<a href='http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2014\/09\/scottish-independence-update\/379803'><br \/>\n<img style='display:block;' src='https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/b-OfhzynvBi65o3ahj0xXV059Cefh1jwE45KKcYG-BxT8ZZVnBx3i5KqKnJyLXVkY74t_4GKseiggp7XbNEc7_bBE6kpswAiAu0RHzJg9Qa7o6ruYeZ4EXfXpGnf2dKKMkgnFtHrlV0=w506-h303-p' border='0' \/><br \/>\nWhat Scottish Independence Might Mean for a Less-Great Britain<br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\nThe economic effects could be minor; the cultural ones, more profound.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><font size=\"2\"><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/2wrBhDWf1SX'>View on Google+<\/a><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have a little bit of skin in the game &#8212; relatives living (at least part time) in Scotland, and business travel takes me to Glasgow every year or two (in fact, I&#39;ll be there in early October, after the vote). But I honestly don&#39;t have a strong feel for the history nor current issues &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/09\/08\/scotland-the-independent.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Scotland the Independent?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-45030","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-geopolitical-brouhaha"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":45324,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/09\/17\/thoughts-to-the-people-of-scotland.html","url_meta":{"origin":45030,"position":0},"title":"Thoughts to the people of Scotland","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 17-Sep-14 11:38pm","format":false,"excerpt":"By the time I get up tomorrow, there will already be votes cast in the historic plebiscite about independence. 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