{"id":4601,"date":"2003-07-31T11:55:32","date_gmt":"2003-07-31T18:55:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=4601"},"modified":"2003-07-31T11:55:32","modified_gmt":"2003-07-31T18:55:32","slug":"names_mean_thin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/07\/31\/names_mean_thin.html","title":{"rendered":"Names Mean Things"},"content":{"rendered":"

Dean Esmay notes folks critiquing his spelling <\/a>of the Muslim holy book as Koran<\/i>, when the current preferred spelling <\/a>is Qur’an<\/i> (or just plain Quran<\/i>, if you want to be slightly simpler but less preferred).<\/p>\n

That then provoked Dean to point to an interesting article by John Derbyshire on what the author calls “The Onomastic Cringe<\/a>,” the push in the West to use (approximations of, sometimes vague ones) the “local” names for geography — countries, cities, etc. — and enthnonymy (what people call themselves). (The article gets a bit screwball in places, but it’s an interesting read nonetheless.)<\/p>\n

So, for example, one doesn’t call them Gypsies <\/i>any more, but Roma<\/i>. It’s not Peking<\/i>, it’s Beijing<\/i>. Mt. McKinley <\/i>becomes Denali<\/i>. Burma <\/i>is now Myanmar<\/i>. And the Koran <\/i>is the Qu’ran<\/i>.<\/p>\n

I wonder how much of this is a combination of post-colonial guilt and Third World muscle-flexing. Certainly there seems to be no widespread move among English-speakers to refer to Deutschland <\/i>instead of Germany <\/i>— nor are the Germans bugging us (or the French with their Allemagne<\/i>) about it, either.<\/p>\n

Maybe the Europeans are innured to it. After all, most cities in Europe have undergone a myriad of spelling changes (Danzig, Gdansk), depending on who owned them that decade, let alone wholesale name changes (St Petersburg, Petrograd, Leningrad, and back to the beginning again).<\/p>\n

That might explain why nobody in England cares that the Chinese show Oxford <\/i>as Niujin <\/i>on their maps.<\/p>\n

One might wonder whether this trend will lead to the end of people criticizing citizens of the US from calling themselves Americans <\/i>(to the chagrin, rumor has it, of folks in Canada and Mexico and elsewhere on the North and South American continents). After all, if that’s what we <\/i>call ourselves, that trumps other claims, right?<\/p>\n

Well, probably not.<\/p>\n

I’m of mixed minds on this (as with so much else). On the one hand, yeah, I feel the need to respect the language and self-identification of others. <\/p>\n

On the other hand, chaos pretty quickly can ensue from this, especially when ownership of a name or locale or people comes into dispute, particularly over historical periods. Is it Yerushalayim <\/i>or Al-Quds<\/i> — or do we respect several centuries of our own language and just call it Jerusalem<\/i>, torquing everyone off?<\/p>\n

Or, to quote an earlier post of mine <\/a>on the subject, whose claims do we respect for Mt. Everest’s “real” name? The Tibetan name Qomolangma<\/i>. as proposed by Tibetan scholars working in Beijing? Or maybe Chomolungma<\/i>, as other <\/i>Tibetans call it? Or Sagarmatha<\/i>. as it is named by the Nepalese?<\/p>\n

Maybe we should just give it a lat-long coordinate and leave it at that. Or return to its pre-surveying days of “Peak 15.”<\/p>\n

How do you spell Moammar Gaddafi’s name, anyway? Has anyone asked him? Does that matter?<\/p>\n

Anyway, I’m not sure it’s a debate that lends itself to a straightforward answer, being tied to history, politics, religion, and emotion — not to mention orthographies and alphabets that don’t match our own. I’ve referred to the Muslim holy book hereabouts as the Qur’an <\/i>for quite some time.<\/p>\n

But, then, I think it’s cool being pedantic, so don’t pay me any attention.<\/p>\n

(with a nod toward Adam <\/a>for the title)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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