{"id":46066,"date":"2014-10-24T23:01:32","date_gmt":"2014-10-25T05:01:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/10\/24\/marriage-is-not-property.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T13:57:59","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T20:57:59","slug":"marriage-is-not-property","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/10\/24\/marriage-is-not-property.html","title":{"rendered":"Marriage is not property"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>And we&#39;re not talking here about one spouse considering the other as property, but the argument that certain (straight) people own the <i>concept<\/i> of marriage, and have materially invested in it by getting married, and therefore anyone else who wants to play in the sandbox is not only trespassing but <i>stealing<\/i> their <i>property.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&#39;&ldquo;The Unruhs have a inalienable property right in their marriage that is protected by the 5th Amendment of the United States Constitution, the Kansas Constitution and related Kansas Statutes&hellip; If the Plaintiffs are successful in their causes of action the meaning of marriage will be so fundamentally and profoundly changed that the Unruh&rsquo;s will experience a taking of their property rights in marriage without due process of law.&#39;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Also, letting gay folk marry would be upsetting, and we can&#39;t have that.<\/p>\n<p><i>&#39;For the courts to say that from this day forward marriage in Kansas must be extended to a same sex couple is and for ever will be deeply disturbing to the Unruhs and undoubtedly to those that cared enough to pass an amendment to protect it, a departure from the joy and celebration normally associated with marriage.&#39;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Also, people supporting marriage equality are sexually discriminating against people who disagree:<\/p>\n<p>&#39;_The Plaintiffs case targets marriage to solve the ills associated with their choice of relationship based on the sex of married couples and thus discriminates against marriage couples based on sex.&#39;_<\/p>\n<p>Or so claim a (straight) married couple filing a claim (<a href=\"http:\/\/hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com\/\/files\/assets\/resources\/Unruh_Motion_To_Intervene.pdf\">http:\/\/hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com\/\/files\/assets\/resources\/Unruh_Motion_To_Intervene.pdf<\/a>) in a federal court case in Kansas challenging the state&#39;s ban on marriage by same-sex couples.<\/p>\n<p>Well, if it means anything, I, for one, am happy to share my portion of the concept (and joy) of wedded bliss with another couple, regardless of their gender.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"sm2wp\"><p>\n<a style='display:inline;' href='http:\/\/www.hrc.org\/blog\/entry\/a-straight-couple-is-seeking-to-defend-kansas-same-sex-marriage-ban-because?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss-feed'><br \/>\n<img src='https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/proxy\/C1S_mrZ3QmHsNvNyueLf1SBBpCWU4ajRLiQ-XNrIN2fxTPeyQ28_RdtdpdfPbq_IX-A3461yiHOJrVtF3RkHcOOatZyb7vu8NY8DLzXsTv7pusI9sVum2GZZG_FC2Vp2uqkv-JVdwe14RjMokVmE7vJYDjQZj-Hq1DuAZcY=w506-h303-p' border='0' \/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<span style='font-size:large;'><a href='http:\/\/www.hrc.org\/blog\/entry\/a-straight-couple-is-seeking-to-defend-kansas-same-sex-marriage-ban-because?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss-feed'>Human Rights Campaign<\/a><\/span><br \/>\nHRC seeks to improve the lives of LGBT Americans by advocating for equal rights and benefits in the workplace, ensuring families are treated equally under the law and increasing public support among all Americans.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/7WTrhSSrdEt'>View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And we&#39;re not talking here about one spouse considering the other as property, but the argument that certain (straight) people own the concept of marriage, and have materially invested in it by getting married, and therefore anyone else who wants to play in the sandbox is not only trespassing but stealing their property. &#39;&ldquo;The Unruhs &hellip; 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