{"id":48990,"date":"2014-12-16T15:31:32","date_gmt":"2014-12-16T22:31:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/12\/16\/but-zey-vere-all-bad-2.html"},"modified":"2014-12-16T15:31:32","modified_gmt":"2014-12-16T22:31:32","slug":"but-zey-vere-all-bad-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/12\/16\/but-zey-vere-all-bad-2.html","title":{"rendered":"&quot;But zey vere all BAD!&quot;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Arnold&#39;s punch line from <i>True Lies<\/i> (when he admits to his heretofore unsuspecting wife that he&#39;s been a spy \/ action hero all during their marriage, and has, in fact, killed people) still draws a chuckle. But it&#39;s a strained one, as it presumes that we&#39;re the Good Guys and they&#39;re the Bad Guys <i>and<\/i> therefore whatever we do to <i>them<\/i> is justified, even if its stuff that, when they do it to <i>us,<\/i> is considered heinous.<\/p>\n<p>Call me an idealist, but I&#39;d like the difference between sides to be a bit more than which tribal colors the soldiers are wearing.<\/p>\n<p>(Original at <a href=\"http:\/\/fusion.net\/comic\/34222\/when-is-torture-torture-a-thought-experiment\/\">http:\/\/fusion.net\/comic\/34222\/when-is-torture-torture-a-thought-experiment\/<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style='text-align:center'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/photos\/101083456815352083930\/albums\/6093557991505033217\/6093558004220623746'><img src='https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-W7268I9O11Q\/VJCquEPO-4I\/AAAAAAAC7vE\/M7x2l6i5iKY\/When%2BIs%2BTorture%2BTorture.png?imgmax=660' style='max-width:650px;' \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style='text-align:center'>\n<a href='' style='width:50px;height:50px;display:inline-block;background-size:cover;background-image:url();'><\/a>\u00a0\n<\/div>\n<p><span style='font-size:small;'><a href='https:\/\/plus.google.com\/101083456815352083930\/posts\/VrG4hsd8Jvw'>View on Google+<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Arnold&#39;s punch line from True Lies (when he admits to his heretofore unsuspecting wife that he&#39;s been a spy \/ action hero all during their marriage, and has, in fact, killed people) still draws a chuckle. But it&#39;s a strained one, as it presumes that we&#39;re the Good Guys and they&#39;re the Bad Guys and &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2014\/12\/16\/but-zey-vere-all-bad-2.html\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&quot;But zey vere all BAD!&quot;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":48991,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-48990","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/12\/When+Is+Torture+Torture.pngimgmax=660.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":129882,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/02\/21\/arf-with-their-heads.html","url_meta":{"origin":48990,"position":0},"title":"Arf with their heads!","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 21-Feb-16 12:36am","format":false,"excerpt":"Yes, sir, ladies and gentlemen, the GOP front-runner. 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