{"id":49339,"date":"2015-01-23T08:31:47","date_gmt":"2015-01-23T15:31:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/01\/23\/bakery-sauce-for-the-gander.html"},"modified":"2015-01-23T08:31:47","modified_gmt":"2015-01-23T15:31:47","slug":"bakery-sauce-for-the-gander","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/01\/23\/bakery-sauce-for-the-gander.html","title":{"rendered":"Bakery Sauce for the Gander"},"content":{"rendered":"

A baker in Denver is facing a religious discrimination complaint after declining to put an anti-gay decoration on a cake. That's an unfortunate but inevitable result of the same laws that have led to complaints about bakers who won't decorate same-sex wedding cakes.<\/p>\n

When you open the doors for the business of cake decoration, you can't discriminate in the message on religious grounds, any more than on other protected class grounds.<\/p>\n

Reading the comments, a lot of people think this is an apples-and-oranges case, that there's a huge difference between telling a gay couple that you won't sell them a cake for their wedding and telling an anti-gay creep that you won't sell him a cake decorated with anti-gay messages.<\/p>\n

I disagree. The idea that a cake for a same-sex wedding is not at all offensive but that an anti-gay cake is offensive demonstrates a myopia of perspective. One can debate whether someone should<\/i> be morally offended by the idea of a cake being used by a same-sex wedding, but the fact is that some people are, and denying that is unjust.<\/p>\n

At the same time, what should be kept clear is that being religiously offended by a cake you're being asked to make — doesn't mean you are allowed not to make it. <\/p>\n

There's one small difference — the baker offered to sell the cake, but not decorated with the messages. So would a baker who would sell a wedding cake to a gay couple but not inscribe "Susan + Jane" on it be similarly covered?<\/p>\n

It's also been suggested that this is a set-up — an effort to discredit such interpretations of the law. That's possibly true (see below), but makes no difference. An intentionally provocative breaking of a Jim Crow era lunch counter restriction is no different, legally, than someone sincerely wanting to eat lunch.<\/p>\n

Conveniently, our demon-exorcising newest GOP dolt in the state legislature, Gordon Klingenschmitt, is all over this case, proud to fight on the side of the baker. In fact, he's working on legislation to "repair" the nondiscrimination law. "These laws have no religious or free speech exemptions. So right now there’s a loophole that’s allowing these bakers to be brought up on charges of discrimination. I think the loophole ought to be fixed so that every baker, every artist, every person in Colorado is not compelled by the government to produced anything they personally disagree with."<\/i><\/p>\n

Klingenschmitt, of course, is more interested in protecting bakers from having to sell cakes to gays couples than in protecting Ms Silva's sensibilities. Regardess, he's wrong here, I believe. I don't think it should be up to bakers (or printers, or sign-makers) to decide which messages they will explicitly or implicitly convey, based on whatever they say their religious beliefs are — or, worse, as extensions of their "free speech" rights, which means being able to turn down messages on a whim.<\/p>\n

(h\/t +<\/span>Stan Pedzick<\/a><\/span>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nMan Files Discrimination Complaint After Denver Bakery Won’t Make Anti-Gay Cake<\/a><\/span>
\nAfter a Denver bakery refused to make Colorado resident Bill Jack a cake with an anti-gay message, Jack filed a discrimination complaint with the state Department of Regulatory Agencies’ Civil Rights division, according to Colorado television station KUSA.<\/p>\n

Marjorie Silva (pictured above), the owner of Azucar Bakery, said Jack asked her to write phrases like “God hates gays” on a cake in March 2014, according to KUSA. He also wanted an image of t…\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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