{"id":50197,"date":"2015-04-28T04:51:20","date_gmt":"2015-04-28T10:51:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/28\/violence-and-violent-response-to-violence.html"},"modified":"2015-05-05T16:15:33","modified_gmt":"2015-05-05T22:15:33","slug":"violence-and-violent-response-to-violence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/04\/28\/violence-and-violent-response-to-violence.html","title":{"rendered":"Violence and Violent Response to Violence"},"content":{"rendered":"

It's not a zero-sum game. One can understand rioting without favoring it. One can disagree with both beatings and looting and the oppressive environment that causes those reactions to bubble over when subjected to too much heat and pressure in one violent sparking event. (See also: http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/politics\/archive\/2015\/04\/nonviolence-as-compliance\/391640\/<\/a>).<\/p>\n

No easy answers, if by easy we mean "There must be one side to blame, while the other side remains pure and noble." That's true for the looters and rioters and for the police. The real victims here are the folk who will still have to live in these neighborhoods after the smoke clears, the cameras leave, the shops stay shuttered, and the police are back in control.<\/p>\n

Originally shared by +Pejman Yousefzadeh<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n

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"The horror. The horror."<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nBaltimore<\/a><\/span>
\nAs riots rage in Baltimore, let’s be abundantly clear about the following: The death of Freddie Gray was and is nothing short of an abomination. No one–no one–is supposed to die in police custody…\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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It's not a zero-sum game. One can understand rioting without favoring it. One can disagree with both beatings and looting and the oppressive environment that causes those reactions to bubble over when subjected to too much heat and pressure in one violent sparking event. (See also: http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/politics\/archive\/2015\/04\/nonviolence-as-compliance\/391640\/). No easy answers, if by easy we mean … Continue reading “Violence and Violent Response to Violence”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106,715,17,740],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-50197","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts","category-crime-punishment","category-homeland-security","category-race-racism"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":23872,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2011\/11\/20\/will-the-occupiers-strike-back.html","url_meta":{"origin":50197,"position":0},"title":"Will the Occupiers strike back?","author":"***Dave","date":"Sun 20-Nov-11 2:41pm","format":false,"excerpt":"I suspect it will happen, sooner or later. 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