{"id":5020,"date":"2003-11-15T16:59:54","date_gmt":"2003-11-15T23:59:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=5020"},"modified":"2003-11-15T16:59:54","modified_gmt":"2003-11-15T23:59:54","slug":"dissent_is_sele","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/11\/15\/dissent_is_sele.html","title":{"rendered":"Dissent is (selectively) patriotic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Wesley Clark, who&#8217;s repeated lambasted the Bush Administration for <s>stifling<\/s> discouraging dissent &#8212; and who, in fact has said:<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">Democracy demands discussion, disagreement, and dissent.  There is nothing more American &#8212; nothing more patriotic &#8212; than speaking out in defense of freedom, questioning authority, and holding your leaders accountable.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; sides with the Bushies (with whom I also disagree on this point) on stifling at least one form of dissent and protest &#8212; <a title=\"Boston.com \/ News \/ Politics \/ Clark backs a ban on flag burning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.boston.com\/news\/politics\/president\/clark\/articles\/2003\/11\/12\/clark_backs_a_ban_on_flag_burning\/\">burning the US flag<\/a>.  He&#8217;s voiced his support for a constitutional amendment to outlaw desecration of the flag.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">Matt Bennett, Clark&#8217;s communications director, said Clark saw flag-burning as a &#8220;very, very, very particularized form of dissent that he simply can&#8217;t abide. I guess he is carving out a little bit, but not very much. For the most part he is a very strong proponent of civil liberties.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s those &#8220;little bits&#8221; and &#8220;most part&#8221; loopholes that usually come back to bite dissenters in the butt.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Wesley Clark, who&#8217;s repeated lambasted the Bush Administration for stifling discouraging dissent &#8212; and who, in fact has said: Democracy demands discussion, disagreement, and dissent. 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