{"id":50529,"date":"2015-05-07T08:12:44","date_gmt":"2015-05-07T14:12:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/05\/07\/the-abortion-debate-the-devil-is-in-the-details.html"},"modified":"2015-05-07T16:20:56","modified_gmt":"2015-05-07T22:20:56","slug":"the-abortion-debate-the-devil-is-in-the-details","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/05\/07\/the-abortion-debate-the-devil-is-in-the-details.html","title":{"rendered":"The Abortion Debate: The Devil Is in the Details"},"content":{"rendered":"

Interesting survey work here that drills into when people feel abortion should, or should not, be legal. It finds that absolutists (it should always be [not] legal) soften when asked about particular circumstances — e.g., rape, the threatened death of the mother, or using abortion to control for the gender of a child. There tends to be a lot more common feeling between the left and the right when those are the frames for the discussion, not broad statements of principle.<\/p>\n

I think this distinction is part of what makes the much broader brush strokes from the politicians so dicey. It's a lot easier to stand on a general principle ("right to life" \/ "freedom of choice") than to answer questions that drill down to particulars. That's when the pols start getting in trouble or sounding like inhuman monsters if they try to maintain an abstract view, rather than address more real-world instances.<\/p>\n

The problem is, those real world instances don't lend themselves to a very good rubric of right and wrong. "Abortion should be legal as long as it's being done for a reason that most people agree with" is not a very good or sustainable public policy. That's in part why I tend to be very liberal about abortion rights, because I try to distinguish between what I find objectionable and what I think should be illegal, and the very process of defining under what circumstances abortion should be legal is, itself, problematic.<\/p>\n

So, no, I don't think abortion should be used for sex selection, but (a) I'm not sure I can articulate why without vague gestures, and (b) does my "don't think should be" objection rise to the level of legal injunction? People have (or don't have) babies all the time for reasons I find problematic; when should I get to have my say-so in that with the law backing me up? And why should I?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nCandidates Fight Over Abortion, but Public Has Surprising Level of Harmony – NYTimes.com<\/a><\/span>
\nIf you ask them specifics, Americans are often in accord about when and why abortions should be legal.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Interesting survey work here that drills into when people feel abortion should, or should not, be legal. It finds that absolutists (it should always be [not] legal) soften when asked about particular circumstances — e.g., rape, the threatened death of the mother, or using abortion to control for the gender of a child. 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