{"id":5162,"date":"2003-10-22T11:06:41","date_gmt":"2003-10-22T18:06:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/?p=5162"},"modified":"2003-10-22T11:06:41","modified_gmt":"2003-10-22T18:06:41","slug":"this_is_wrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2003\/10\/22\/this_is_wrong.html","title":{"rendered":"This is wrong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s a small wrong, perhaps, in the world of big wrongs around us.  But it just strikes me as wrong, nonetheless.<\/p>\n<p>A man is left brain-dead in a motorcycle crash.  He and his wife never had a kid.  So before he dies, she arranges to have a sperm sample removed.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Rocky Mountain News: Local\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rockymountainnews.com\/drmn\/local\/article\/0,1299,DRMN_15_2366869,00.html\">So she can have his baby.<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">&#8220;When the doctor said my husband was not going to make it, I felt like I couldn&#8217;t go on without him,&#8221; said Mandy Garvin, 22, who was married to Josh Garvin for about a year.  &#8220;He wanted to be a daddy. He wanted to have a little boy so he could spoil that boy so much.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sorry for your grief, lady.  Really.  It&#8217;s a tragedy.  But he&#8217;s never going to be a daddy.  He&#8217;s dead now.  He&#8217;s not going to be able to spoil a little boy (presuming that&#8217;s how <i>that <\/i>crap shoot works out).  He&#8217;ll never be able to spoil his child.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s dead.<\/p>\n<p>Is it worth it as a tribute to your dead husband to go out of your way to have a child without a father?  Is this about the child?  About your husband?  Or about your grief, your loss of your husband, your loss of the idealized expectations you had of your future life together?<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">On Tuesday, doctors at Swedish told Mandy they&#8217;d found a cryogenics lab in California that would accept the sperm. The news ended a tense two days, in which Mandy Garvin and her family not only lost Josh but also almost lost the hope of seeing his eyes again in a newborn baby.<br \/>\n&#8220;It was really tough, going through losing my son-in-law and then the chance of Mandy not having a light at the end of the tunnel,&#8221; said Mandy&#8217;s father, Mike Elliott.<\/p>\n<p>Has anyone gotten this woman &#8212; and, for that matter, her family &#8212; some grief counselling?  Would some family friend <i>please <\/i>tell them this is <i>not <\/i>the time to be making life-altering decisions?<\/p>\n<p><i>It won&#8217;t be Josh&#8217;s eyes, folks.  It won&#8217;t be Josh.  Get a grip, people?  Grieve, but don&#8217;t drag an innocent into your grieving process as well.<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">&#8220;She and Josh just really wanted to have a baby and share that love,&#8221; Elliott said. &#8220;I was just waiting to be a grandfather, and it would have been just such a special time in our lives.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s a terrible tragedy that it won&#8217;t happen now.  Even if Mandy has a baby, it won&#8217;t be the same as Mandy and Josh having the baby.  Really.  And the baby involved is going to suffer for it.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t believe, to be quite honest, that the story was presented in such wistfully romantic tones(&#8220;Dreams of Fatherhood Stay Alive&#8221; reads the headline), with nary a criticism of the whole idea quoted from anyone, nor any consideration of the problems discussed.  <\/p>\n<p>It is, ultimately, up to Mandy what to do.  I just hope she waits several months &#8212; or more &#8212; before making that decision.  Because, as it stands, she&#8217;s doing it for all the wrong reasons.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s a small wrong, perhaps, in the world of big wrongs around us. But it just strikes me as wrong, nonetheless. 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