{"id":51719,"date":"2015-07-10T17:56:21","date_gmt":"2015-07-10T23:56:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/07\/10\/something-to-remember-in-the-rhetoric-about-isil.html"},"modified":"2015-07-10T17:56:21","modified_gmt":"2015-07-10T23:56:21","slug":"something-to-remember-in-the-rhetoric-about-isil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2015\/07\/10\/something-to-remember-in-the-rhetoric-about-isil.html","title":{"rendered":"Something to remember in the rhetoric about ISIL"},"content":{"rendered":"

Are the radical Islamicists of ISIL (ISIS, IS, whatever) murderous thugs whose acts of barbarism deserve global condemnation at the very least? Absolutely.<\/p>\n

But the folk who claim it's some particularly unique aspect to Islam that leads to these horrifying killings should consider the good Christian men and women of too many places in these United States who, within living memory, committed similar acts of barbarism. They didn't have video cameras, but the pictures were circulated around with similar purposes of instilling terror. And those American Christians didn't necessarily all wear goofy sheets and pointed hats, but were often locals in normalclothing gathered together with picnic baskets.<\/p>\n

This is not to excuse ISIL, or to suggest that we ignore their brutality. This is to suggest that we might look at the beam in our own eyes as we condemn motes in others, and before we pretend that this is is something particular to Those People, but certainly not Us.<\/p>\n

Originally shared by +laurie corzett<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n

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"The actual process of lynching was morbid and incredibly violent. Lynching does not necessarily mean hanging. It often included humiliation, torture, burning, dismemberment and castration. Victims were beaten and whipped, many times in front of large crowds that sometimes numbered in the thousands. Coal tar was frequently used to douse the unfortunate victim prior to setting him afire.Onlookers sometimes fired rifles and handguns hundreds of times into the corpse while people cheered and children played during the festivities. Pieces of the corpse were taken by onlookers as souvenirs of the event [5]. Such was the case when James Irwin was lynched on January 31, 1930. Irwin was accused of the murder of a white girl in the town of Ocilla, Georgia. Taken into custody by a rampaging mob, his fingers and toes were cut off, his teeth pulled out by pliers and finally he was castrated. It still wasn’t enough. Irwin was then burned alive in front of hundreds of onlookers (Brundage, p. 42).<\/p>\n

No one was ever punished for this barbaric killing. Black victims were hacked to death, dragged behind cars [6], burned, beaten, whipped, sometimes shot thousands of times, mutilated; the savagery was astonishing. How could ordinary people participate in such brutality?"<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\nYes, ISIS Burned a Man Alive: White Americans Did the Same Thing to Black People by the Thousands<\/a><\/span>
\nThis article was originally published on ChaunceyDevega.com and is republished here by permission of the author. ISIS burned Muadh al Kasasbeh, a captured Jordian fighter pilot, to death. They doused him with an accelerant. His captors set him on fire. Muadh al Kasasbeh desperately tried to put out the flames. ISIS recorded Muadh al Kasasbeh’s…\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Are the radical Islamicists of ISIL (ISIS, IS, whatever) murderous thugs whose acts of barbarism deserve global condemnation at the very least? Absolutely. But the folk who claim it's some particularly unique aspect to Islam that leads to these horrifying killings should consider the good Christian men and women of too many places in these … Continue reading “Something to remember in the rhetoric about ISIL”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[106],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-51719","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plusposts"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":133641,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/10\/us-congressman-suggests-alliance-with-isil-against-iran.html","url_meta":{"origin":51719,"position":0},"title":"US Congressman suggests alliance with ISIL against Iran","author":"***Dave","date":"Sat 10-Jun-17 9:55am","format":false,"excerpt":"Dana Rohrabacher is a Republican Representative from the affluent coastal district of Orange County, California. 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