{"id":5327,"date":"2004-04-06T17:41:58","date_gmt":"2004-04-07T00:41:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/04\/06\/no-fly.html"},"modified":"2004-04-06T17:41:58","modified_gmt":"2004-04-07T00:41:58","slug":"no_fly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/04\/06\/no_fly.html","title":{"rendered":"No Fly"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I think most people would agree that there&#8217;s a good reason to try to prescreen folks flying  for possible terrorism security risks.  Grabbing peoples&#8217; tweazers is an imperfect art at best, as we know, so trying to deal with the human side of the equation makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>That said, and a few years after 9\/11, it&#8217;s worthwhile asking <a title=\"MSNBC - ACLU sues over government's \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcno-fly\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 list\" href=\"http:\/\/msnbc.msn.com\/id\/4675609\/\">how do we make that screening process as accurate and <i>correctable <\/i>as possible<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">ACLU attorney David Fathi also is among those joining the suit.  Fathi said he has been stopped from boarding planes at least five times and once at a border crossing, though in each instance he was eventually able to clear up the mistake and continue on his way.<br \/>\n\u201cBut try explaining that to your fellow airline passenger after you have been stopped, searched and interrogated in front of them,\u201d Fathi said.  \u201cEven after obtaining a letter from the TSA stating that my identity had been verified, I am still subject to delays, enhanced searches, detentions and other travel impediments, all due to the no-fly list,\u201d he said.<br \/>\nBut it doesn\u2019t happen every time he tries to fly. &#8220;Sometimes I have a completely uneventful experience,\u201d Fathi said.  \u201cOther times I have been led away by police.  I have been threatened by indefinite detention.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;I&#8217;ve had one officer tell another to put me in handcuffs and take me away,\u201d he said.  Such inconsistent application of the list, \u201cshows how deeply flawed the system is,\u201d Fathi said.<\/p>\n<p>That process of improving the system has been hampered (with some reasonability) by privacy concerns.  <\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">The TSA declined to comment directly on any pending litigation, but acknowledged, \u201cIt points to a very clear fact: We need to advance to the next generation of passenger pre-screening,\u201d said TSA Spokesman Mark Hatfield.  \u201cWe\u2019re operating with a limited, inherited system that was designed in a different age to deal with a different threat,\u201d Hatfield said.<br \/>\nA replacement, dubbed CAPPS II, has stalled as the TSA scrambles to implement several requirements mandated by Congress to ensure the new, more powerful screening system doesn\u2019t violate privacy rights and provides a clear, unambiguous way for people to have their names removed if they have been unfairly tagged as a security risk.<\/p>\n<p>Which is just what&#8217;s being asked for under the present system.  That there&#8217;s still a need for people to sue to get their names off the list so that they can fly without being (once again) interrogated, delayed, searched, etc. &#8212; I think it&#8217;s perfectly reasonable for the ACLU to assist in forcing that action along.  That&#8217;s part of the dynamic that keeps the process on an even keel.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think most people would agree that there&#8217;s a good reason to try to prescreen folks flying for possible terrorism security risks. Grabbing peoples&#8217; tweazers is an imperfect art at&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5327","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-homeland-security"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":748,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2001\/11\/17\/airport_securit.html","url_meta":{"origin":5327,"position":0},"title":"Airport security?  We don&#8217; need no airport security!","author":"***Dave","date":"Sat 17-Nov-01 12:52pm","format":false,"excerpt":"USS Clueless reviews the security breach at Atlanta. Summary: guy runs through the security points and vanishes into the airport, causing it to be shut down for hours, with massive...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Homeland Security&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Homeland Security","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/politics-law\/homeland-security"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3418,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/11\/26\/what_a_differen.html","url_meta":{"origin":5327,"position":1},"title":"What a difference five years makes","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 26-Nov-02 6:38am","format":false,"excerpt":"\"Keep Big Brother's Hands Off the Internet\" is the title of the 1997 article. 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