{"id":5460,"date":"2004-03-08T08:41:26","date_gmt":"2004-03-08T15:41:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/03\/08\/half-way-measures.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T15:22:42","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T22:22:42","slug":"half_way_measur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/03\/08\/half_way_measur.html","title":{"rendered":"Half-way measures"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s why we need gay marriage: &#8220;<a title=\"Los Angeles Times: Lesbian Breakup Raises a Child-Support Issue\" href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/nationworld\/nation\/la-na-support5mar05,1,5730874,print.story?coll=la-headlines-nation\">Lesbian Breakup Raises a Child-Support Issue<\/a>&#8221; (emphasis below mine):<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">The highest court in Massachusetts met Thursday to consider a child-support case involving a lesbian couple and their 3-year-old son. The dispute turns on whether one woman must make support payments to the other, even though the couple broke up three months before the child &#8212; conceived through artificial insemination &#8212; was born.<br \/>\n[&#8230;] If the case heard Thursday by the high court had involved a husband and wife who had used artificial insemination, <b>&#8220;it would be a clear case, open-and-shut, in 50 states&#8221; &#8212; and the man would be considered the father<\/b>, Bartholet said.<br \/>\n&#8220;What makes this complicated is that you have a lesbian couple that is not allowed to get married,&#8221; she said. &#8220;So we are seeing all kinds of law developing that treats couples who look like a marital couple like a marital couple. What has been happening in the law generally is to treat same-sex couples as if they were married.&#8221;<br \/>\n[&#8230;] In the case argued before the Supreme Judicial Court, the women allegedly agreed in 1999 that T.F. would undergo artificial insemination with the intent of bearing a child. The women had lived together for 3 1\/2 years in western Massachusetts and had gone through a commitment ceremony in 1998.<br \/>\nThe couple had pooled their finances, named each other as beneficiary on life insurance policies and retirement plans and become part of each other&#8217;s extended families, according to a brief filed by Bennett H. Klein, the lawyer for T.F.  Klein said the pair also agreed to jointly raise the child, identified as D.<br \/>\nThe women&#8217;s relationship deteriorated, however, and B.L. moved out two months before T.F. went into premature labor. D. was born nine weeks early and was treated at a neonatal intensive care unit.  The lawsuit contends B.L. made one payment of $800 when the boy was born but has not contributed to his support since then.<br \/>\n&#8220;This case is about one of the fundamental principles of our child welfare law, and that is that individuals are responsible to support the children they bring into the world,&#8221; Klein said.<br \/>\nBut Sibbison told the court that <b>the case revolved around contract law, not parental responsibilities.<\/b> She said B.L. was &#8220;vulnerable&#8221; and under treatment for depression when she gave in to T.F.&#8217;s entreaties to have a child.  &#8220;I think the responsibility [for support] is on the mother, who went ahead and got pregnant,&#8221; she said.<br \/>\nSibbison dismissed the spousal consent forms B.L. signed at the fertility clinic and at the hospital where D. was born. &#8220;These papers at the hospital, they say, &#8216;Sign here, sign here,&#8217; &#8221; she said. &#8220;Do you want to be responsible for everything you sign?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>While the story notes that law has generally been interpreted to treat this sort of thing between gay couples under existing support rules, there&#8217;s still an element of uncertainty (as shown in the statements of the defense counsel).  Establishing gay relationships as something beyond simple &#8220;contract law&#8221; (which, it sounds like, can be trivially discarded if the contract signee was simply having a bad day) and civil unions seems to be essential, if we&#8217;re going to allow gay couples to adopt or have kids &#8220;together&#8221; &#8212; for the sake of the children involved, if nothing else.<\/p>\n<p><small>(via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thesakeofargument.com\/archives\/000556.html\">Joe Kelley<\/a>)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s why we need gay marriage: &#8220;Lesbian Breakup Raises a Child-Support Issue&#8221; (emphasis below mine): The highest court in Massachusetts met Thursday to consider a child-support case involving a lesbian&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[25,718,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5460","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gay-stuff","category-marriage-equality","category-politics-law"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6495,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/08\/25\/more_mixed_mess.html","url_meta":{"origin":5460,"position":0},"title":"More mixed messages","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 25-Aug-04 10:59am","format":false,"excerpt":"Couple agree to have a kid, woman gets pregnant by artificial insemination, couple breaks up, woman sues for child support ... ... and the court rules the \"informal agreement\" isn't...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Politics &amp; Law&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Politics &amp; Law","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/politics-law"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":131529,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/09\/13\/marriage-in-name-only.html","url_meta":{"origin":5460,"position":1},"title":"Marriage in Name Only","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 13-Sep-16 10:44pm","format":false,"excerpt":"After the Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell that blocking gay couples from marrying was unconstitutional, the initial reaction from lawmakers in conservatives states was defiance. 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