{"id":5754,"date":"2004-07-22T13:15:21","date_gmt":"2004-07-22T20:15:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/07\/22\/whiplash.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T15:22:24","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T22:22:24","slug":"whiplash","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/07\/22\/whiplash.html","title":{"rendered":"Whiplash"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Wasn&#8217;t just a week or two ago that GOP lawmakers in Congress were trying to impose a one-size-fits-all Constitutional amendment against gay marriage, to quash even states from allowing such laws?  Wasn&#8217;t it just a week or two ago that Democratic lawmakers were crying out that the states are best suited to make such decisions?<\/p>\n<p>Well, that was a week or two ago, and now the <a title=\"Yahoo! News - House Takes Up Gay Marriage Issue Again\" href=\"http:\/\/story.news.yahoo.com\/news?tmpl=story2&#038;u=\/ap\/20040722\/ap_on_go_co\/house_gay_marriage\">Marriage Protection Act<\/a> &#8212; which would remove the Defense of Marriage Act from federal court review &#8212; has the two sides flip-flopped again.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">Rep. John Hostettler, R-Ind., author of the bill, said the issue is too important to ignore. &#8220;Simply put, if federal courts don&#8217;t have jurisdiction over marriage issues, they can&#8217;t hear them. And if they can&#8217;t hear cases regarding marriage policy, they can&#8217;t redefine this sacred institution,&#8221; Hostettler said when he introduced the legislation in May.<\/p>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\"> While Republicans defended states&#8217; rights, Democrats said the phrase recalled Southern opposition to desegregation, which was propelled by a series of federal court rulings.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s closer to the usual alignment, but in point of fact both sides have shown they&#8217;re more than willing to depend on Federal law and courts to impose support positions they believe in but that the states have not yet fallen in line behind.<\/p>\n<p>As to the law itself, it depends on a very rarely used clause of the Constitution itself, Article III, Section 2, Clause 2 (emphasis mine): <\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned [in Clause 1], the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, <strong><em>with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Which means it&#8217;s probably constitutional, from what I understand, but it strikes me as a pretty bad idea.  Congress passing laws and preventing judicial oversight of them strikes me as a dangerous precedent &#8212; one as likely to bite any ideological stripe of Congresscritter depending on who&#8217;s in the majority.  As one observer on the radio noted this morning, &#8220;What if a Democratic Congress passes a major gun control bill and adds that the federal courts can&#8217;t review it against the Second Amendment?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Some folks might consider that a blessing against the tyranny of the judiciary.  It seems like an opening for a crazyquilt of extra-constitutional laws to me.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Wasn&#8217;t just a week or two ago that GOP lawmakers in Congress were trying to impose a one-size-fits-all Constitutional amendment against gay marriage, to quash even states from allowing such&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[25,718,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5754","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gay-stuff","category-marriage-equality","category-politics-law"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":131529,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2016\/09\/13\/marriage-in-name-only.html","url_meta":{"origin":5754,"position":0},"title":"Marriage in Name Only","author":"***Dave","date":"Tue 13-Sep-16 10:44pm","format":false,"excerpt":"After the Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell that blocking gay couples from marrying was unconstitutional, the initial reaction from lawmakers in conservatives states was defiance. 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