{"id":6329,"date":"2004-09-20T21:52:56","date_gmt":"2004-09-21T04:52:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/09\/20\/how-christlike-not.html"},"modified":"2014-11-05T15:20:35","modified_gmt":"2014-11-05T22:20:35","slug":"how_christlike","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/09\/20\/how_christlike.html","title":{"rendered":"How Christlike &#8230; not"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s perhaps inappropriate to ascribe motivations to people, but certainly it&#8217;s not inappropriate to say that <a title=\"Gay News From 365Gay.com\" href=\"http:\/\/www.365gay.com\/newscon04\/09\/092004swaggart.htm\">Jimmy Swaggart doesn&#8217;t seem particuarly Christian in this proclamation<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">During the program, a rambling sermon by Swaggart who is trying to rehabilitate himself after an arrest for soliciting a prostitute, the televangelist turned to the subject of gay marriage.<br \/>\nAccording to a transcript of the program, Swaggart said: &#8220;I&#8217;m trying to find the correct name for it &#8230; this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. &#8230; I&#8217;ve never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I&#8217;m gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I&#8217;m gonna kill him and tell God he died.&#8221;<br \/>\nThe remarks were met with applause from his congregation.  <br \/>\nThe program was taped at Swaggart&#8217;s ministry in New Orleans where voters Saturday agreed to amend the Louisiana constitution to bar same-sex marriage.<\/p>\n<p>It is certainly Mr Swaggart&#8217;s privilege to consider gay marriage stupid (just as I consider a number of things &#8220;stupid&#8221; that others think are correct).  It&#8217;s sort of ignorant for Swaggart to somehow judge that it&#8217;s idiotic just because <em>he <\/em>never found himself attracted to men.  I&#8217;ve never seen a raw tomato that looked gustatorially attractive to me, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I think folks are idiotic for wanting to eat them.  Still, there&#8217;s no accounting for tastes &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>But assuming Swaggart&#8217;s final comments are recorded accurately, I can&#8217;t imagine Christ suggesting that someone who looks at you lustfully deserves killing (and deserves prevarication toward God about it).<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the complaint brought in Canada for the broadcast of the sermon (it&#8217;s better for folks to hear Swaggart making a jerk of himself than to suppress that speech).  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