{"id":6461,"date":"2004-08-31T06:39:08","date_gmt":"2004-08-31T13:39:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/08\/31\/it-must-be-a-compromise-since-it-wont-satisfy-anyone.html"},"modified":"2004-08-31T06:39:08","modified_gmt":"2004-08-31T13:39:08","slug":"it_must_be_a_co","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/08\/31\/it_must_be_a_co.html","title":{"rendered":"It must be a compromise, since it won’t satisfy anyone"},"content":{"rendered":"

The task force set up by Episcopal Bp. Ron O’Neill to try and determine the “common ground” within the diocese on same-sex issues has come up with a suggested compromise<\/a>, which, all indications are, will be adopted by the bishop.<\/p>\n

What the “liberals” give on this compromise:<\/p>\n

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  1. Put the idea of same-sex blessings on hold until the next ECUSA General Convention in 2006, at which time it will doubtless be reexamined.\n
  2. Not add any same-sex partnered clergy from outside the diocese until that time as well, though partnered clergy within the diocese could continue their work here.<\/ol>\n

    What the “conservatives” give:<\/p>\n

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    1. Stop withholding diocesan pledges, to the tune about about $500k this year.\n
    2. Stop seeking “episcopal oversight” from outside the dioceses.<\/ol>\n

      In other words, return to the Spring 2003 status quo, but with, perhaps, clearer rules on what the diocese is doing.<\/p>\n

      The Usual Suspect is not amused.<\/p>\n

      But the recommendations outraged the Rev. Don Armstrong of Colorado Springs. He is a member of the standing committee, the bishop’s advisory body, and pastor of one of the largest parishes in Colorado. He called the suggested compromises “a ploy.”
      \n“So Rob (O’Neill) gets his money, conservative clergy fund him and the gay clergy get to do what they want,” Armstrong said Monday. “He’s trying to get us to sit still while everybody gets used to having practicing gay clergy in the diocese. This will push us to redouble our efforts to get others to restrict giving and seek episcopal oversight.”<\/p>\n

      Ah, Don, you old charmer.<\/p>\n

      The task force includes other recommendations. Among them, it asks that the concept of same sex blessings be submitted to “solid theological work” by church experts and not be considered only as a “social justice” issue, Huffman said.
      \nHe said O’Neill also insisted that the task force include one bedrock principle in its report: that the Colorado diocese would never be “separated from Canterbury,” a reference to the London headquarters of the Anglican Communion, of which the Episcopal Church USA is one of 38 provinces.<\/p>\n

      The outstanding questions are whether the compromise will hold up within the diocese (with or without Rev. Armstrong’s help — and it’s worth noting that Ascension has been notorious for not contributing to the diocese even before this year), and, if it does, then what happens when Canterbury issues its own decisions on the matter in October, or when the GC meets again in 2006.<\/p>\n

      Heck, what’s going to happen at the diocesan convention here in Colorado in a month or so?<\/p>\n

      I’m torn over this issue, obviously. Part of me thinks it’s just another delay, another luke-warm neither-fish-nor-fowl moment, wherein the church declines, once more, to take a stand. How far does one compromise on conviction in the name of unity? Or, conversely, how much should one compromise on unity in the name of conviction? In being Christlike (as one would hope a Christian church would be), does one seek to bring all to the Father, or take on the role of a divider of houses?<\/p>\n

      I know that this particular compromise will hurt a number of people, on both sides of the aisle, so to speak, without actually resolving anything. Is a resolution possible? Or even desirable? Can we remain in a theological limbo indefinitely?<\/p>\n

      We’ll see.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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