{"id":6470,"date":"2004-08-30T10:31:37","date_gmt":"2004-08-30T17:31:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2004\/08\/30\/qed.html"},"modified":"2004-08-30T10:31:37","modified_gmt":"2004-08-30T17:31:37","slug":"qed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2004\/08\/30\/qed.html","title":{"rendered":"QED"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Justice Department has argued that various court filings (e.g., the ACLU&#8217;s filings against the PATRIOT Act, ongoing) need, as so many other documents need, redaction to keep sensitive material from becoming public.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, at least in some cases, &#8220;sensitive&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;possibly harmful to national security&#8221; but &#8220;possibly embarrassing and rhetorically endangering of our position&#8221; &#8212; such as in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thememoryhole.org\/feds\/justice_redaction.htm\" target=\"_blank\">this proposed redaction<\/a> from that previously mentioned <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aclu.org\/nsl\/gagorder\/acluLetter_051404.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">ACLU filing<\/a> (partially rescinded by the Supreme Court, before whom it was filed), where what was redacted was (a) a quote from a previous Supreme Court ruling, which is, of course, public record, and (b) a quote about the dangers of government carte blanche in acting to protect &#8220;domestic security&#8221;:<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect &#8216;domestic security.&#8217; Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent.<\/p>\n<p>That the Government (in this case, the DoJ) acted, in the name of &#8220;domestic security&#8221; to suppress this quotation is, in fact, mind-boggling, and indicative of the very dangers the quotation speaks of (in US v. US District Court for the Eastern Dist. of Mich., 407 US 297, 314 (1972).<\/p>\n<p>And, just as bad as the manipulative nuttiness of such a redaction attempt is that <em>it calls into question every other attempt to redact or suppress material<\/em>, even those attempts which are wholly legitimate, defensible, and, were the facts known, supportable.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, it&#8217;s bad enough that the folks involved in this are acting in so apparently self-serving and indefensible a fashion, but it&#8217;s even worse that it stands to hamper other attempts to rightfully protect national security &#8212; which attempts <em>do <\/em>sometimes require information to be redacted.<\/p>\n<p>But who can accept that on face value now?  Particularly given <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aclu.org\/SafeandFree\/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=16275&#038;c=262\" target=\"_blank\">this laundry list<\/a> of similar redaction attempts.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out why John Ashcroft still has a job.  It&#8217;s yo-yo moves like this that makes me think the only way to get rid of him is to get rid of his boss in a few months &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><small>(via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.antipixel.com\/blog\/archives\/2004\/08\/31\/the_danger_to_political_dissent_is_acute.html\" target=\"_blank\">Antipixel<\/a>)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Justice Department has argued that various court filings (e.g., the ACLU&#8217;s filings against the PATRIOT Act, ongoing) need, as so many other documents need, redaction to keep sensitive material&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6470","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-homeland-security"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":12467,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2008\/04\/23\/too_many_secrets_marty_2.html","url_meta":{"origin":6470,"position":0},"title":"&#8220;Too many secrets, Marty &#8230;&#8221;","author":"***Dave","date":"Wed 23-Apr-08 3:54pm","format":false,"excerpt":"Sometimes the government has to keep secrets. 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