{"id":7468,"date":"2005-02-28T06:06:07","date_gmt":"2005-02-28T13:06:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2005\/02\/28\/meaning.html"},"modified":"2005-02-28T06:06:07","modified_gmt":"2005-02-28T13:06:07","slug":"meaning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2005\/02\/28\/meaning.html","title":{"rendered":"Meaning"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It would be really funny if it weren&#8217;t so annoying.  A well-published author of an essay included on a state standardized test (the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills, or TAKS) looked at the five questions asked about the essay in the test.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chron.com\/cs\/CDA\/ssistory.mpl\/metropolitan\/3057992\" target=\"_blank\">She has a few problems with them<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"block\">On her way home from George West, Naomi was struck by how the students had remembered details of the piece but, when she asked, could remember none of the questions. When I sent her copies of the questions, she said &#8220;It reminded me of the trouble I always had with standardized tests.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The trouble? &#8220;Almost every question has more than one &#8216;right&#8217; answer,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the difference between testers and writers. Poets and other literary writers see literature as a collaborative engagement between the writer and the reader. They expect different readers to have different reactions to their work, to draw different messages based on their experiences and concerns.<\/p>\n<p>So she had a problem with a question that asked what the essay was &#8220;mainly about.&#8221; Answers included &#8220;moving to a new place&#8221; and &#8220;the significance of names.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Say a kid had just moved to a new place and had a lot of revelations about himself, that would be the right answer for him,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Another kid who felt special about names would focus on that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>She had similar arguments with the answers to several other questions, arguments she had had since, at age 22, one of her poems was selected for a textbook.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Out of five questions the kids were supposed to answer, I couldn&#8217;t answer three,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p>The biggest problem with interpretive questions (&#8220;What&#8217;s the essay mainly about?&#8221;) is just that &#8212; there is rarely any single answer, and rarely universal agreement on the &#8220;best&#8221; answer (or what &#8220;best&#8221; means).<\/p>\n<p>Or, as Ogden Nash put it, <\/p>\n<p><em>He o&#8217;er the works of Shakespeare<\/p>\n<p>A thousand hours spent<\/p>\n<p>And found a thousand meanings<\/p>\n<p>That Shakespeare never meant.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Granted, academic English departments often go completely overboard in reinterpreting and deconstructing and otherwise mangling interpretations of works of literature.  That they <em>can, <\/em>though, is indicative to me that testing on subjective questions like this is bound to cause trouble &#8212; not to mention embarrassment.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know how you test whether kids can draw a theme from an essay or story (let alone determine whether that&#8217;s something that <em>should <\/em>be tested for), but there should be a better way.<\/p>\n<p><small>(via <a href=\"http:\/\/lizditz.typepad.com\/i_speak_of_dreams\/2005\/02\/author_of_essay.html\" target=\"_blank\">Liz<\/a>)<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It would be really funny if it weren&#8217;t so annoying. 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