{"id":8086,"date":"2005-05-24T12:19:24","date_gmt":"2005-05-24T19:19:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2005\/05\/24\/rrg-7.html"},"modified":"2005-05-24T12:19:24","modified_gmt":"2005-05-24T19:19:24","slug":"rrg_7","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2005\/05\/24\/rrg_7.html","title":{"rendered":"Rrg"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Having served my time in the Ed Biz, I&#8217;m not shocked by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.average-bear.com\/archive\/005050.html#5050\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a>, but I am deeply angered.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not 100% sold on the idea of retention &#8212; but the <em>threat <\/em>of retention can be a hell of a motivator.  And, frankly, so would the threat of any number of other things which might make the Boy&#8217;s school experience a lot less pleasant, and so incent him to get off the dime, but which some namby-pamby policy-maker or lawsuit-cowed administrator is unwilling to do.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, I&#8217;m talking about <em>punishment <\/em>here.  Carrots and sticks are a great blend, and you rarely get the same effect if you use only one of them and not both.  Public schools, out of fear of harming the little tots&#8217; psyches, or of getting sued by litigious parents (of which there are a plenitude, to be sure), have lost that.<\/p>\n<p>Kid doesn&#8217;t have his homework?  Multiple times?  We&#8217;ve determined it&#8217;s not a problem with the home or a learning disability?  Fine.  Go sit in the corner.  That one.  Back there.  Or go report to yard patrol activity, picking up paper around the school, or cleaning out the trash cans at the cafeteria.  Or go do [fill in mildly unpleasant and\/or somewhat demeaning activity] and report back when you have your assignment in hand.  Or you&#8217;re suspended &#8212; have your folks pick you up, and explain to them that they need to find some way to take off work to watch you for the next two days; better bring your missing work back with you.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, making school an <em>unpleasant <\/em>experience if you don&#8217;t make the effort might cause some kids to drop out.  But we&#8217;re talking kids who are already in trouble, academically, and who are already a lot more likely to drop out.  And it may actually make some kids sit up and take notice and get their frelling acts together.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, punishment can be abused (though so can neglect).  And it does, often, take extra time and effort to administer (which means that the lazy will shy from imposing it).  <\/p>\n<p>But this is, as Doyce implies, not an acceptable state of affairs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Having served my time in the Ed Biz, I&#8217;m not shocked by this, but I am deeply angered. 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