{"id":8808,"date":"2006-04-11T20:08:31","date_gmt":"2006-04-12T03:08:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2006\/04\/11\/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune.html"},"modified":"2006-04-11T20:08:31","modified_gmt":"2006-04-12T03:08:31","slug":"he_who_pays_the","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2006\/04\/11\/he_who_pays_the.html","title":{"rendered":"He who pays the piper calls the tune"},"content":{"rendered":"

If a government agency is going to give money to a “faith-based” operation, to my mind that operation cannot turn around and say that they can only support folks who don’t offend their ideological sensitivities<\/a>.<\/p>\n

A St. Francis, Minn., Lutheran church refused to care for a woman who once was a man — adding its case in a growing national battle, a report said.<\/p>\n

The case began last May, when Trinity Lutheran rejected providing day-care lunch services to the unidentified woman. The church said the gender change violated its beliefs, among other reasons.<\/p>\n

The battle was resolved last month when the Missouri Synod church agreed to get no new clients from Anoka County, Minn.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Or, put another way, if you want to perform charity, more power to you. If you want to limit the folks to whom you do so based on your religious beliefs, that’s your prerogative, and you are more than welcome to gather up funds from folks who believe as you do in order to do so.<\/p>\n

But if you accept my tax money, you give up the right to discriminate on, essentially, my behalf.<\/p>\n

It’s your choice. It’s not an imposition of my will on yours. You can simply walk away from the money. If you can’t walk away from the money — well, you know the old joke about “we already know what you are, now we’re just settling on a price.” <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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