{"id":9483,"date":"2006-06-28T06:28:19","date_gmt":"2006-06-28T13:28:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/wp\/2006\/06\/28\/let-it-burn.html"},"modified":"2006-06-28T06:28:19","modified_gmt":"2006-06-28T13:28:19","slug":"let_it_burn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2006\/06\/28\/let_it_burn.html","title":{"rendered":"Let it burn"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\nI consider myself a pretty patriotic fellow.&nbsp; I love my country, I admire the principles under which it was founded and operates.&nbsp; I do think we have something very special here, and, if I were so called, I&#8217;d be willing to put myself in harm&#8217;s way to protect it and its people.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nI find flag burning to be, at best, juvenile, at worst, an insult to those principles and people and the folk who have sacrificed so much to make it possible to burn that flag.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBut to my mind, one of the very principles of this country is, in fact, that if someone says or does something we disagree with, even vehemently, we either ignore them or engage them in debate to point out what a doofus they are.&nbsp; We don&#8217;t simply make their dissent illegal.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nSo, frankly, I&#8217;m pleased as punch that the Senate <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2006\/06\/27\/AR2006062701056.html?nav=rss_email\/components\" target=\"_blank\">failed to ratify a proposed constitutional amendment<\/a> that would allow Congress to ban burning the US flag.&nbsp; I&#8217;m appalled that it came within one vote of passing a two-thirds majority.&nbsp; And I&#8217;m disgusted at the Republican leadership that decided to trot this out as an election year wedge issue (along with the Democrats<br \/>\nwho trotted along behind them).&nbsp;\n<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\nFlag burning &#8220;is obscene, painful and unpatriotic,&#8221; Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii), who lost an arm in World War II, said in a floor speech yesterday. &#8220;But I believe Americans gave their lives in the many wars to make certain that all Americans have a right to express themselves &#8212; even those who harbor hateful thoughts.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>\nSen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) summarized the proponents&#8217; views. The flag&#8217;s special symbolic status, she said, makes its desecration different from holding a sign denouncing the president. Burning an American flag in anger, she said, is &#8220;conduct, not speech&#8221; because the flag is &#8220;the symbol of our democracy, our shared values, our commitment to justice, our remembrance to those who have sacrificed to defend these principles.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n[&#8230;] The debate divided senators along unusual lines. Opposing the amendment was McConnell, the Senate&#8217;s second-ranking GOP leader, and Bennett, a quiet, mainstream Republican. Democratic supporters included Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) and Sen. Evan Bayh (Ind.), a presidential hopeful. Maryland&#8217;s Democratic senators voted against the amendment and Virginia&#8217;s Republican senators voted for it.\n<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\nI disagree vehemently with Sen. Feinstein on this.&nbsp; Or, rather, I would ask where she would draw the line.&nbsp; Would burning the Great Seal of the United States also count as such?&nbsp; How about an effigy of Uncle Sam?&nbsp; Or a copy of the Bill of Rights?&nbsp; Or a picture of the president, the Lincoln Memorial, or the Iwo Jima memorial?\n<\/p>\n<p>\nSymbols mean things.&nbsp; But speech is full of symbols, and setting aside one particular (and, so to speak, inflammatory) political expression as being beyond the pale not only makes no sense, but sets a horribly dangerous precedent &#8212; one that someone, sooner or later, would latch onto.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWrong, wrong, wrong.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I consider myself a pretty patriotic fellow.&nbsp; I love my country, I admire the principles under which it was founded and operates.&nbsp; I do think we have something very&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_seopress_robots_follow":"","_seopress_robots_imageindex":"","_seopress_robots_snippet":"","_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_robots_breadcrumbs":"","_seopress_robots_freeze_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_custom_modified_date":"","_seopress_robots_canonical":"","_seopress_social_fb_title":"","_seopress_social_fb_desc":"","_seopress_social_fb_img":"","_seopress_social_fb_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_fb_img_height":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_title":"","_seopress_social_twitter_desc":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img":"","_seopress_social_twitter_img_attachment_id":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_width":0,"_seopress_social_twitter_img_height":0,"_seopress_redirections_value":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled":"","_seopress_redirections_enabled_regex":"","_seopress_redirections_logged_status":"","_seopress_redirections_param":"","_seopress_redirections_type":0,"_seopress_analysis_target_kw":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9483","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics-law","category-zt-pc"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":9465,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2006\/06\/30\/let_it_burn_par.html","url_meta":{"origin":9483,"position":0},"title":"Let it burn, part 2","author":"***Dave","date":"Fri 30-Jun-06 9:51am","format":false,"excerpt":"Okay, this started as a response to Avo's comment in this thread about flag burning, noting Scott Adams' address of the issue, but it got long, so, heck, let's make...","rel":"","context":"In &quot;ZT &amp; PC&quot;","block_context":{"text":"ZT &amp; PC","link":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/category\/zt-pc"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1390,"url":"https:\/\/hill-kleerup.org\/blog\/2002\/01\/14\/vexillogy.html","url_meta":{"origin":9483,"position":1},"title":"Vexillogy","author":"***Dave","date":"Mon 14-Jan-02 9:44am","format":false,"excerpt":"The North American Vexillological Association (vexillogy is the study of flags) has the results of its 2001 poll of US and Canadian state\/provicial flags. 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