It's hard to judge a movie by its trailer. The particular sales approach here — "Look, guys! It's just like the classic Terminator movies, but with modern FX and multiple Arnolds!" — may be pretty much the full summary of what Terminator Genisys actually provides, or it may be just what some suits thought the movie-ticket-buying public wanted.
The movie does provide more background into the War with the Machines and what's going on in the future with John Conner and Kyle Reese. It screws around a bit with Terminator meta-continuity — not just that Kyle goes back only to find that the timeline in the past has already been altered, but the very idea that despite that nothing has changed in the future. So it gives us a kind of desperate and not terribly effectual Kyle and an effectual but not-yet-obsessive Sarah … fighting a T1000, while an aging T800 assists them.
(Surely someone has a past film clip of Arnold Scharzenegger in his salad days saying "I'm getting too old for this shit.")
It's all pretty and glossy and FXy, but the trailer makes no case, for me, that there's anything really new here, just the same furniture given a slipcover or two and arranged differently. There's little distinctive about the characters presented, human or robot. There's not even anything particularly ground-breaking / jaw-dropping about the FX here (there's one pretty cool brief shot of an automotive stunt on the Golden Gate Bridge, but everything else is very been-there, done-that).
Again, the criticism above may just be because the trailer creators were aiming for the familiar, not the new. And, heck, I've complained about movie trailers giving away too many goodies as they run.
But to be perfectly honest, this trailer resolves me only to one thing: I need to watch Terminator and Terminator 2 with my daughter this weekend. If nothing else that to show her how Arnold became famous and how to do the vast majority of this stuff solely with practical FX.
I'm sure the young Arnold was a flashback…
And you don't need to watch the other movies. it is in its own universe in its own canon and the first of a trilogy.
dude u have a lot of time to write all of this shit.
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u must b a virgin
+Shouvik Mukherjee He's not. Just ask your mom.
+Shouvik Mukherjee He mentioned his daughter you dumb, ignorant fuckwit.
Well said Dave, they give away the entire plot in the trailer.
+mal atkins Well, they certainly seem to. I mean, it's possible there's something more there and it's just not being revealed in the trailer, but … I suspect not.
+1stnaruto No, I wasn't planning on watching the original pair for backstory, but to enjoy them as they were presented.
good man , hope your daughter enjoys it , i mean the story of course!
+Dave Hill It seems that most of my old favourites have had shitty sequels added on in recent years. What's left to fuck up?….oh that's right, there's a new mad max they are developing that can also fail to excite me.
+Dave Hill Nice to see a well written critique of the trailer. I did want to point out two things:
1) Actually, for some of us this is probably exactly what we are looking for, though if it isn't what Terminator fans are looking for, I understand how disappointing it will be.
2) Time travel is already messy. Simply put I actually have the opposite issue that you do; people traveling back in time to change the future. I see timelines as immutable… but not unable to be manipulated. You send someone back in time because doing so either creates or alters another parallel time line, creating a past and future where things happen differently. Needless to say, this requires you allow parallel realities. The other option I am about to present does not; manipulating the timeline. Events still seem to happen as recorded, but that's because they were inaccurately recorded and incompletely observed. Someone die that you need to live? You can try and go back and save them, but when you do you have to make it look like he died to any witnesses, including falsifying physical evidence (if any existed).
Again though, you made it very clear that you don't match either point one or two, and I can totally understand why you're not excited and/or disappointed with this movie.
+Kami-sama no Otaku It occurred to me, as I was writing, that it was in the perspective of someone who grew up with the Terminator movies (though 2 was the peak and I barely made it through 3), so that's a very different perspective from folk who have mostly seen them in a past tense.
Once the actual movie is out, I expect that people will do the analyses needed to make the timeline make sense (or else will note with some infamy that it doesn't). My objection was more that if we take 1 and 2 for canon, complete with the changes they made in the future timeline, then the idea that future Kyle could come back to the 1 era as he did, but find it already changed in the meantime … will take very careful handling to make any sense.
(I do like time travel movies, and have read enough decades of SF to realize there are a lot of different ways it can work — but the rules need to be consistent. If they are, I'm cool with it.)
Shit, you gotta be pretty damn jaded not to want to see a cool new Terminator like this, and with multiple Arnolds, how could you go wrong?
Man that's dam near every movie that comes out a reboot or a new idea with the same script
Some of us want movies to engage our brains as well as our senses. We prefer substance to style, although the latter can certainly enhance the former. Without a solid story and good characterizations, though, all the rock'em-sock'em, slam-bang action and special effects aren't going to hold our interest.
+Scott Randel
You want a primarily action based movie with robots and time travel to have an epic story…..seems legit…
No, not an epic story. A good story. Is that too much to ask for?
+Dave Hill Some background information that might be relevant, might not, but that perhaps I should have included earlier. I wasn't quite three when the first movie came out, so while I did "grow up" with the series, I wasn't even a teenager when the second movie came out. I haven't seen anything since Terminator 2 because of lack of funds/only mild interest. This one… this one has me curious.
+Shouvik Mukherjee
Isaac Newton contributed more to humanity as a virgin than you will in a 100 life times…..even that may turn out to be an understatement…stop ranting about virgins….ps before u bit*h about me being one…i've been married for years and have a kid and am 32yo and you will never hear me poking fun of virginity…
+Scott Randel Actually… it might be. The "short" version of it is
1) Hollywood
2) Average Viewer
3) Variance in worldviews among all viewers
I often find myself waiting for good fiction from a franchise I enjoy when they try to "get deep" because instead they go off the deep end. It is actually worse when such things succeed because it means what once aligned with my own views and understanding of reality, was unaligned or at least ambiguous suddenly becomes hostile and the studios have incentive to further alienate me. =P
+WarmSoftKitty there's no new plot to it. everything has already been resolved in the previous Terminator movies, even if without Terminator Salvation or Genesys
Well +Lizzy C, that's actually a point in its favor for some people. I believe Calvin said it best:
http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/06/25
Well, there is something to be said for rock'em-sock'em, slam-bang action and special effects — but if I'm not going to get a new story I'd at least like a good story.
http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-genisys-photos/ has a nice scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer. I do appreciate the attention to detail in the recreated scenes.
Arnold got famous because of his bodybuilding.
+h3llraise no shit
i am i big fan of the series and i have been waiting for the next film. this makes a lot of sense because in terminator salvation the twist was that Sam Worthington didn't know he was a machine. in this new moviethe part where he goes through the store finding close and a cop looks for him is so iconic. i just want to see the movie and here the explanation of the new time line . every movie something different is explain that adds so much more the universe of terminator. if you watch the original terminator and look at john conors face move around you can see he looks robotic in his moments. this was explain in terminator salvation when john conor died but his face was transplanted to the sam Worthington terminator body. i might be wrong about that or either sams heart was given to john but i don't know what really happend when john had surgery.
IDK I'd rather pay 40 bucks to watch Terminator Genesis over Disney's JJ Abrams Star Wars The Force Awaken … this film just looks a lot more exciting then SWFA….
Honestly I'm Sick of Hollywood rehashing the same old movies, where in the world is the originality the new ideas
completely new works of art. (Hollywood formula: Reboot Sequel Prequel rinse & repeat)
Superman & Batman, Jurassic World, Annie, Terminator, Star wars, Marvel….. blah they are all boring! but that's just my opinion.
+h3llraise Ah, the Pumping Iron days. Yeah, I remember that.
But Terminator was his Hollywood breakout.
+fatcat9109 I'm not sure how, given the trailer, you can be both be excited over Terminator Genisys and decry Hollywood "rehashing the same old movies."
+Dave Hill I'm saying if you put a gun to my head and said choose which poison to consume then I'm probably going to go with Terminator over star wars.
That stupid song just kills it for me.
+Dave Hill I thought Conan (1982) was his breakout role? Or Terminator 2? Given my age at the time its a bit hard for me to be certain. Terminator was important but I remember an awful lot of people (even those older than me) that just began with the second film.
The plot seems interesting…Arnold is suppose to be a sleeper cell terminator which goes back to the first movie….
Brad Hamilton yeah but who sent that Arnold back
+mega man Thats a good question…I'm sure it will be explained in the movie…very interesting tho…nice to see Arnold back
+Kami-sama no Otaku Good point — I had forgotten Conan the Barbarian predated Terminator by a couple of years.
I could make a good argument for Commando (1985), too, as it was his first big Modern-Day Wisecracking Action Hero role, which is mostly what he's played ever since.
He's back!
The longer this story drags out the less likely it is to believe. Even the plot of T2 seems idiotic when you revisit it. They failed! So they sent ANOTHER MACHINE! How the fuck did they even know they failed in the first place?
Looks like they are taking the Star Trek reboot path and mess with time travel (or is it the other way around).
+Benjamin Hike Well, the didn't just send another machine, they sent a more powerful machine.
They would know it failed because … um … sometimes the plot has the future being fixed, other times it has the future being mutable. In this case, sending back the original T800 didn't significantly enough change the time flow that Skynet hadn't already sent back the T800. So it knew the attempt had failed, so it raised the ante.
Can't wait
+Shouvik Mukherjee so true….
+Dave Hill
Whoops
+Dave Hill +Benjamin Hike For me the main element of both plots – traveling back through time to change your "present" was pretty silly, but as mentioned earlier in the discussion, I'm one of those that subscribes to past functionally being immutable within a specific timeline, but that you can use time travel and altering history to create (or more accurately, shift tracks) to a parallel reality or to actually fulfill the "real" past because you alter it in a way so that most think it hasn't changed.
Either actually gives ample reasons for Skynet to send back multiple Terminator units. Skynet may either desire others like itself or assume that if can not only alter history to make it easier for a parallel Skynet to conquer the world, but to set-up some sort of "backdoor" so that Skynet "Prime" can take it over, allowing one Skynet to conquer multiple realities.
If the past can only be manipulated through changes-that-technically-aren't-changes, then we could find out that Skynet, in a sense, "births" itself by sending back Terminator units to steer technological development to ensure it is not only created but "awakens". Instead of sending Terminators to outright kill problematic people (or their ancestors) in the past, it cultivates a humanity that is easier to defeat in its own time. The only "hard" part for it is not jumping the gun but instead sampling humans to realize "How convenient… all these people are incredibly vulnerable to [insert disease] or [insert carcinogen], which I have an ample supply of… so I probably sent units back to help facilitate this bit of genetic fortune."
Damn, well said
I think the main issue everyone is missing here is that if the new Arnold takes out the original Arnold at the observatory that means Sarah's room mate never get's killed, which allows her to live a long full life as an 80s hair band groupie and failed cosmetologist
"Next Summer the rules have been rehashed…"
I just came a little bit.
Wow. Cool trailer.
sooo wanna see it
Can't wait hope it's not a "jumping the shark" type move to make another terminator. All you TV buffs know what that means, AAAAAA👍👍👍
It already jumped the shark with the last movie. Unlikely that it would "re" jump ths shark?
Yes this one looks look it should be straight to DVD…
I already am confused. If old arnie was already protecting her, changing its reality, then why would kyle reese would be sent back?
He wouldn't be. This is the first trailer and its already full of more holes than a whack-a-mole
Rd
finally the time has come
I was glad when I heard that a new Terminator movie was being made… Not so much anymore. 🙁 Also, am I alone in NOT liking the guy playing Reese? I hated him in Die Hard, probably gonna hate him in this. But I'm not gonna say it "looks shit" as some. I'll reserve judgement till I've seen it fully. Really wish someone else was playing Reese though. lol
It's like all your favourite moments from the good Terminator films squashed into one trailer / film. Hollywood at it's cynical best.
How about they Terminators to other times like the 30's and go after John Conner's grandmother? That would be different. 1800's?
How come the T 800 has achieved the TX mimetic ability ?
O, I know this guy, he was in the "Jack Reacher" movie
this looks good, i am desperate to have it live up to the trailers
"I told you I'd be back!"
Nothing new to see same old srory… No excitement😏
Was expecting more from Arnold
Has too much CGI
ALTERATION! PARADOX!!! 3+ SCHWARZENEGGER'S OR HOWEVER IT'S SPELLED!!!!! what
Don't know what the story is, but the action looks good. Glad Arnold is back.
Arnold said he'll be back and apparently he does… again and again and again! 😛
Valar Morghulis B-)
I have been waiting for this movie
don't know why but somehow whenever some user posts a post as long as yours and the fact that you know your stuff , its instant revalation to everyone on the internet lol , and then all the likes and shares come in
+BrawnyLion I assume a lot of the traffic comes from automatic mirror on YouTube, which has a much broader audience than my G+ profile. But it's still kind of fun (usually).
This looks like a parody. And at the end when Arnold says "I'll be back" and flies down into a helicopter. That shit was stupid funny. Lol
sarah looks young
If it has anything new to say, i guess it would "dracarys !!" hahahaha
he should be deeadd!!!!
Gotta say that bus flip made me a happy guy.
Dr….ddddddddddddvccx!vc
Hell, I'm going to watch it. anything with Arny in and I'm watching it
+D.C. Harrison tony hawk was driving it
+Midnight Rider Well someone was saying he got famous because of terminator so its obviously not just something you can say "no shit" about.
yes , I,ll be back
fak dis shit movie even terminata salvation iz betta dan dis xD
you know, as a European movie enthusiast that started to watch a lot of movies from a very early age, I have to make an another question: "do this movie have to say something?"
and the answer is: "no. it do not."
why? because 90% of other movies are not "having something to say" in the LEAST…
but those rather mediocre movies, that many times have the same problems of the "big hate target" of internet bias, are praised and beloved and defended "by any means necessary"
this is already "hated" because uses CGI and is a old series brought back to "cash money" or something… but all those haters never said anything to "avengers"( even if it uses a shit ton of CGI… and is done for milk kids of their allowances).
I frankly prefer to have even other "bad" terminators than have to stand an another bucked of Marvel/Disney movies.
+1r0zz I love all old school movies and loved the first 2 Terminators , that being said the last to in my opinion sucked ass with shity story's and direction and I do hope this one is satisfying, but on the other end you cant beat super hero movies now days if iam going to the movies its most likely a Marvel movie because its worth my money .
+Van Seaco
terminator 4 is horrible. it lack direction and plot (so it's around Iron Man 3 level of quality)…
Terminator 3 is not bad…the story is kinda stupid, but just like terminator 2 (the T800 is programmed to do what the kid says? nobody in the right mind would let a teen have decisions power, and Sarah is bloody annoying as a character)…
and at least the TX is better than the T1000…
but when you say you are going to watch marvel movies because they are "worth my money" I am rather disappointing…
they are NOT worth your money… the Winter Soldier is easily the "best one" of the last bucked of films and is the best one mainly because is something not "captain america"…the first one was horrible.
both Thor Movies are crap, but the first one is at least likable.
the last two spider-man are pure horror.
Iron Man 3 is the biggest insult to the franchise they are supposed to be after.
ALL X-Men movies are rubbish. with the last one being just idiotic…
both Ghost Rider movies are ridiculous.
both Punisher movies are rather bad…
the ONLY good super hero movies of the recent years out there are the first two Raimi spider-man and the first two Iron Man movies.
avengers is just BARELY good.
+1r0zz sounds like Iron man 3 then
+1r0zz you have the worst taste in movies