That’s really what it boils down to. Though there were some bipartisan efforts starting up in the Senate, Mitch McConnell kneecapped them by pressing forward on a last-ditch Repeal-and-Not-Really-Replace-But-Do-Other-Awful-Things bill, and Paul Ryan finished the job by saying the House would not take up any bipartisan plan to fix the ACA.
So the message here (assuming you can trust them to follow through) is either intentionally rob tens of millions of insurance, throw us back into the Darwinian jungle of pre-existing condition surcharges, and cripple a major medical social net for the poor, elderly, and disabled … or let the whole mess burn.
Because they have to win. They have to appease their Randian base. They have to follow through on their commitment even as they fling the nation off the back of the sleigh. Because that’s all that matters to them, and the consequences to the poor and middle class aren’t a consideration.
Will they get away with it? Will the American voters continue to let them get away with it?
Republicans Threaten To Let Obamacare Markets Fall Into “Chaos” If Repeal Fails
“Obamacare is collapsing and there’s not a lot of appetite to prop it up, so chaos is going to reign.”
The Republicans are disgusting idiots
+Louise Medina I'm not ordinarily into simple insulting epithets, but I can't disagree with you regarding the folk behind this.
"Give us what we want or we'll burn everything down!" Assholes.
Again, highly probable. Especially since the Koch brothers are withholding donations to their GOP pets until they pass the Graham-Cassidy bill.
these people are owned lock stock and barrel by these upper 1% billionaires. why else would they intentionally screw up businesses and markets so badly. it's ALL about the tax cuts for the rich.
Those guys are going to burn in Hell
It failed when it was implemented!
The Democrats are much worse.
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Republican goals are to defeat the ACA (Obamacare with its guarantees for people) and just pass something to make it look like they did something. It will just be a slight of hand trick and we will be back to the old days of pre-existing rules which raise insurance charges to the point of NOT being affordable.
A few years ago, I got a quote for a private health policy from a big insurer, and with no prior hospitalizations, very low generic drug costs for 3 meds, they wanted to charge me 1700 dollars per month for health insurance.
That is what we will face again, from the Republicans. They will shuffle the plans to the states to decide and send only a lump sum of money. You will all be screwed. Wake up before it is too late. We can improve the ACA with bipartisan effort instead of throwing out the whole thing and losing the many good things in the law. Republicans want to only pass this without any Democrat votes. And they want to give their donors a big tax cut cause the Obama subsidies will disappear too.
Republicans are upset cause they can't buy their new Mercedes-Benz this year
+John Cunningham obviously from the view point of these top republicans(😂),It hasn't and then I'm thinking they have a better working knowledge of what's really real.
Having said that,Trump is so hell bent on keeping his promise to repeal and replace he is willing to shit on the very ppl.who have his back.The mans a fucking goofy and so are the ppl who support him,how can you(trumptards)still support him he shitting all over you(trumptards) and you're loving it.If that's not goofy,I don't know what is
Paul Ryan is a spineless coward. Trump is a blithering mental case and McConnell is a poster boy for senility..can't we do better???
Let it burn down. Let the USA, Collapsed.
no one addresses the non health insurance coverage pork belly in Obama Care, why?
So you don't like it that the GOP is going to allow Obamacare to work as designed? Then maybe it should never have been passed, shoved down people's throats in then first place.
+Dave Hill If Obamacare was so good why is it failing ??????
If obuma care is so great why are we forced to pay for it?
+Trump's Brick Layer Republicans' efforts to destroy it from within. The constant public effort to discredit it too with Trump being the biggest cheerleader. And the constant effort to avoid any bipartisan effort to fix things. Makes the insurance companies unclear how to proceed No one party has all the answers. Work to fix, don't just work to destroy.
Don't forget the lifetime cap on coverage. So a premie baby; or an asthma survivor; or the boy who has food allergies … can hit their lifetime limit on coverage before they're even in grade school.
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The dems made the failing system and are now upset that conservatives can't fix the mess?
What part of the people voted for full repeal in November don't they get? Trump won for a reason and it wasn't to try to fix the dems failed plan.
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😂😂😂 Sociopathic behavior. What do u expect from these white supremacist fools.
First step respect for every body.
"Why not replace the ACA if it's broken? If leaving it alone will cause disaster, isn't that a sign it's a bad thing?"
It's probably worth repeating the automobile metaphor again: when you buy a new car, you know that you need to bring it in for regular maintenance (or void the warranty). Something brand-new and untested, even if it's of high quality and works better than expected, need to be maintained and adjusted.
So it is with legislation — the bigger and more complex and more ground-breaking the legislation, the more adjustments, tweaks, and fixes it will need. That's true of every piece of legislation.
The GOP didn't let that happen. Not only did they fight its implementation, fight various and sundry provisions of the ACA in court, but they refused to let the legislation be revisited for adjustment as real-world experience showed how insurance markets without pre-existing condition clauses, life-time caps removed, etc, actually worked. The only legislation they would consider was complete repeal, and they were able to block anything else even while the Dems had majorities.
The Republicans refused to take the car in for maintenance. And now that we've hit 10,000 miles, and the engine is making dire noises and there's funny-colored exhaust and the oil light's been on for three weeks, they're saying, "Jeez, what a lemon, we should get rid of it and go back to the oxcart we had before."
It's easy for something to "fail" if you (intentionally) don't follow through on what's needed to make it succeed.
People say Obama care failed… Usually it's the people who have to pay more taxes (RICH PROPLE)….
My question is the Government has failed when celebrities can become a governor, or worse yet a president(Trump😩😩😩) …. So why not fix that???
Look at the main problem….
Why hasn't anyone mentioned that it needs to be fixed????
+Stephen Vasquez It's not the government failing, but it is possibly a failure of the electorate.
The question becomes, how does one "fix" that problem?
+Donald Baun You don't put money in an old car when the engine is blown . There is no fixing it . It was bad from the start
+Trump's Brick Layer I hope you can live with the outcomes. You assess that the engine is blown and I do not. I see the need for combined effort to fix. When one side only cares about destruction to give a huge tax cut to the mega-rich donors, then you see their how much they care about you.
+Dave Hill All more or less true. But you buy a multimillion dollar system that poorly designed, poorly implemented and causes you to penalize people who don't want, you didn't put together anything worth having in the first place. Having worked in healthcare for more than 18 years, I feel fairly justified in saying this was going to be about as successful as car with no wheels.
+Trump's Brick Layer Huh. Islamaphobic posts, Benghazi posts, anti-Obama posts, and the Trump-golfball-Hilly post, all in the last 24 hours? No, I don't think you have anything to contribute to an intelligent discussion. Aloha.
+Chris Harrison Not poorly designed, except for X factors not yet tried in this country. An implementation with first-year problems but that has been going smoothly since. And, as someone who has "worked in healthcare more than 18 years," a system that pulls everyone into the risk pool, to reduce the overall costs to the nation and especially to the individuals most dramatically affected.
But, yeah, I can imagine that there's a better alternative. But a system that turns Medicaid into a block grant, that short term kicks tens of millions off of their coverage, and in the long term skyrockets the price for anyone with a pre-existing condition (once again) isn't just a car with no wheels, it's a car with no brakes hurtling down a mountainside, and we're all passengers.
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+Dawud Tennille that seems very racist. Why do you even bring color in to it? We are talking about healthcare or lack of for Americans. I have not seen a single person say they want to provide healthcare based on color. Your a disgrace.
+Dave Hill using your car metaphor, we were sold something different than the salesman offered. He offered us a $1000 car with round wheels but he delivered a car he wanted $3000 for and had square wheels. Even with proper maintenance it was more expensive that he promised and missing things he promised.
Who saw the $2600 a year savings?
Who got to keep the plan they liked?
Who got to keep their doctor?
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How is the Republican threatening somthing by not doing anything?
Isn't that what liberals want ?
If it's falling into chaos , isn't that Obama's fault ?
+Waldemar Marchesi See my lengthy comment above from yesterday, Waldemar. Short version: Major groundbreaking legislation always requires tweaking, just like cars need maintenance. There are intermediate measures between "set it all on fire" and "let it sit there and let it fall apart."
+Dave Hill Have been enjoying your good reasoned comments.
+Dave Hill obama pasted the healthcare bill two years into his administration, he's had 6 years to tweak it , he let it sit there because he knew it would fail, he didn't try to fix it , he made it mandatory , using your car analogy, would you stay with the a car you bought for 6 years just because the dealer said it was a good car when he knew it would break down , or would you sue the dealership for selling you a piece of shit?
+Waldemar Marchesi Your facts are incorrect.
'obama pasted the healthcare bill two years into his administration, he's had 6 years to tweak it'
The ACA was passed one year into his administration, which began in January 2009.
The Senate passed its version in December 2009; in January 2010 the GOP in the Senate got their 40th seat (in a special election after Ted Kennedy passed away), meaning they could filibuster any legislation they wanted — and they proceeded to do so. The House passed the same bill, and it was signed into law in March 2010.
In November 2010 (effective January 2011), the House flipped to the GOP which began passing one (unsuccessful) repeal bill after another. They also supported law suits against the ACA that, among other things, made the Medicaid expansion a state-voluntary action, rather than mandatory.
Note that most provisions of the ACA only came into effect in 2014, so most of its problems were not visible until then.
While Obama did in fact tweak what he could administratively and through Executive Order, actual changes in the law were for all intents and purposes impossible almost immediately upon its passage.
Your discussion of 6 years for Obama to have fixed the ACA makes no sense.
'he didn't try to fix it , he made it mandatory'
You might want to research "insurance risk pools" to better understand the mandate (that was written into the original legislation, and approved by the Supreme Court, not later imposed by Obama).
You didn't mention why it passed in 2010 by the supreme court, it was unconstitutional the way it was written, so they changed the word "penalty "to "tax" suddenly its constitutional , and the IRS grows in power.
He sidestepped the constitution, and grew the government. Somthing the constitution was supposed to protect us from.
They look realeted
I don't want it to be trump care and what ever his last name is
+Waldemar Marchesi Incorrect. The argument was made that the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, so that it was, in fact, constitutional, as ruled by SCOTUS.
How you translate that into "sidestepped the constitution" is a bit bewildering.
How you interpret the Constitution as being against the growth of goverment is also a bit of a head-scratch.
+Dave Hill the constitution was written to protect us from government intrusion, Obama his self said the constitution is a obstruction to his agenda .
+Waldemar Marchesi Every President considers the constitution an obstruction to his agenda (just ask Pres. Trump about the things he's tried to do that have been blocked by courts as unconstitutional).
The Constitution is not solely about protecting us from government intrusion. It's about how we govern ourselves, what the purposes of that governance is for, and, yes, how the government is restricted from acting. Nothing per se about governmental size or how, within those defined purposes and restrictions, it can grow.
+Dave Hill no President has ever went public to state that the constitution is an obstruction, but Obama.
+Waldemar Marchesi No, they usually complain about "activist judges" deciding that the Constitution is different from what they think it should be.
Care to provide an actual citation or quote on that, btw? I'm curious as to the context.
+Dave Hill it was a long time ago he was a senator, giving an interview with a collage journalist , bet you're think I'm making this up too, hell you might find it on YouTube, by typing "senator"obama interview about the constitution, And listen to the whole interview.
It ought to pop up or it may have been pulled out for being damaging to Obama.
+Waldemar Marchesi Ah. If I can't find it, it's because of a conspiracy. Got it.
+Waldemar Marchesi And, by the way, somehow magically the Internet has not been scrubbed of the incriminating evidence by the rascallly minions of Obama.
I believe the interview you are referring to is the one described in this article, a radio interview from when Obama was a state senator and law lecturer. It was not while he was president.
None of that, of course, has to do with whether the ACA was unconstitutional. That was actually tested in court and, largely, it was found to be so.
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