Senators Graham and Cassidy …. and the GOP leadership in the Senate (and the House) … and pretty much everyone else … have no definitive, accepted standard as to what the Graham-Cassidy bill to gack the ACA and kneecap Medicaid will actually do.
This is legislation with a profound impact on the US — 1/6 of our economy flows through the health care system, and health insurance reform impacts every single citizen of the United States, especially the poor, the disabled, the ill, and the elderly.
And the GOP don’t really know what their legislation will do. Well, they’ve been told by numerous outside sources that it will be a disaster, about the tens of millions who will lose insurance coverage, about how senior citizen premiums will go up $16K/year on average, on the long-term impacts to the poor, the sick, children, the disabled. But the gold standard, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, will not have its full analysis of the bill — its cost, the number of people who will lose insurance, etc — for several weeks.
They can’t wait that long. They won’t wait that long. They only have a few days before the end of the month, when suddenly they can’t pass this thing with just 50 votes. And they don’t really care anyway. Because this isn’t about health care, or insurance, or the economy, or helping people not die. It’s about one thing only:
“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” said Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”
They said they would do it. They promised. They had no idea what they were promising, and when they finally tackled it they resembled the dog that finally got hold of the car, but, by God, they promised they would do something so this is the one something they are going to try to do.
No matter the cost. No matter the lives impacted. No matter the pain, and suffering, and debt, and death.
Because they’re afraid of what will happen to them in 2018 if they don’t.
And that’s how these people are governing the United States.
I am beyond disgusted.
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Side note: Grassley also basically admitted that this effort isn’t even about fixing the problems they say they are going to fix.
But Grassley also acknowledged that Graham-Cassidy would not affect the most pressing Obamacare shortcoming facing Iowa: rising premiums and limited choices on the state’s individual health insurance market. Instead, he said, that’ll have to be addressed first with a “stop-gap” plan now under consideration and ultimately with a separate legislation.
“What you want to do long-term is going to be done in the Alexander bill,” Grassley said, referring to a bipartisan bill to stabilize individual premiums nationwide that reportedly fell apart this week.
Fell apart because the GOP leadership said they would never allow it to come to the floor, because it was more important to pass this bill to gut Medicaid for the long haul, but call it “Obamacare Repeal” because that’s what they need to say, politically.
Republicans Have a Bill to Repeal Obamacare. They Don’t Know Exactly What It Will Do
Congress’ own scorekeeper won’t weigh in before a vote is held
What's more sinister is what exactly is driving them to sacrifice all personal credibility to railroad this illogical, desperate measure which if implemented could result in genocide of a significant % their own people?
We need to pass it to see what's in it. – Nancy Pelosi on the PPACA (Obamacare)
If they knew how it, Obamacare, would work and still passed, eveyone who voted for it should be tarred and feathered.
Its simple health care should not be a 6th of our economy and why would we ever entrusted anything that big to government!
+Love Liberty regardless of it's shortcomings Obamacare gave 20 + million people Health Care…many of them with pre-existing conditions. This bill is going to eliminate 20-plus million people in the next few years…many with pre-existing conditions. You tell me which is better?
I pay $12,000 a year before I get 1 dime of benefit. So guess what, I don't get the healthcare I need and am paying for.
Meanwhile someone who isn't working doesn't pay anything and gets healthcare.
The problem is, you can't unscramble an egg. And that is precisely what Congress is trying to do. I'm so pissed at democrats for pushing this law on us, I don't have the words for it
+Love Liberty Me too and thier end game is single payer! +Kevin Miller may disagree but now we no longer have the quality of life we worked for becouse someone else does not want to work. I am not heartless I know others need assitance but if your able bodied and legally here then earn your own way first.
+Terence Roche well see that "I got mine you get yours mentality" is why Healthcare was in the predicament it was in even before Obamacare kicked in. So if you prefer we can go back to the each man for himself mentality and then you will see your taxes going to pay for all those people who (for whatever reasons) can't afford Healthcare but have to be admitted to emergency because you and my taxes will be paying for that.
That's why our healthcare costs are 1/6 of our national debt because it needs to be overhauled.
+Love Liberty Pelosi's comment had to do with people being unable to see the benefits of the ACA during the intensity of the debate over it, not that people didn't know what was in it. The ACA was put together, had hearings on it, was amended, was debated, for a year.
Graham-Cassidy was thrown together in a few weeks, with one brief kabuki hearing scheduled, in a desperate attempt to get it passed before they have to compromise on what it's doing.
That's not leadership — that's people with the wrong priorities.
+Terence Roche 'Its simple health care should not be a 6th of our economy'
Of course! We'll just stop spending on it! Brilliant!
'and why would we ever entrusted anything that big to government!'
Because big for-profit business has failed to take care of it for so many?
+Terence Roche +Love Liberty
'Meanwhile someone who isn't working doesn't pay anything and gets healthcare.'
'now we no longer have the quality of life we worked for becouse someone else does not want to work. I am not heartless I know others need assitance but if your able bodied and legally here then earn your own way first.'
The assumption that the people getting health care under Medicaid (which, by the by, is not free) are all lazy louts who are just sponging off the nation and keeping us from "quality of life" speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of poverty in America, or who's getting Medicaid.
#HR676 #S1804 Now.
+Dave Hill 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘮𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘔𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘪𝘥 (𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩, 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘺, 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘦) 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘭𝘢𝘻𝘺 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘬𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘶𝘴 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 "𝘲𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦" 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘴 𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘰𝘧 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘱𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘪𝘯 𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢, 𝘰𝘳 𝘸𝘩𝘰'𝘴 𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘔𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘪𝘥.
Ah there it is +Dave Hill The liberal guilt trip in full blown print! Hey Dave when has Government ever done business right? well never Dave its Government that’s not what We the People or the "Founding Fathers" designed it for.
𝘉𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘧𝘰𝘳-𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘪𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘴𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺?
Well Dave the free market has a way of weeding out 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘧𝘰𝘳-𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 that fails unless…… wait for it…….. Government interviens with a bail out for the "To Big To Jail" You know Eric Holder coined that https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/eric-holders-longtime-excuse-for-not-prosecuting-banks-just-crashed-and-burned/.
Dave, it does not matter what I say you want Universal Health Care and Open Boarders. I want to keep the sovereignty of the United States of America and the Free Market. You know Dave Venezuela has the type of government you looking for why not try getting a jump on things and leaving us ignorant Bible toting Gun hugging conservatives with the country we built, fought and died for.
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/eric-holders-longtime-excuse-for-not-prosecuting-banks-just-crashed-and-burned/
+Kevin Miller What you call "I got mine, you get yours", I call responsibility.
I chose a job I am not really happy with when I'd rather do something else. But I need money and insurance. So I gave up something to get something in return. It's called setting priorities and responsible adults do it every day.
Funny how the same people who can afford the new iPhone and a $200 cellphone bill can't get health insurance
+Dave Hill Bullshit. Pelosi was asked if she read the bill. She did not, nor would she have understood it.
+Love Liberty okay fine call it responsibility. But you still aren't addressing these money-hungry for profit insurance companies charging people an arm and a leg for medications and price gouging. That's why health care costs are 1/6 of our budget. You want to overlook that and just blame people who you don't think want to carry the load.
What about people who don't quite work 40 hours to get health benefits? What about people who own their own small businesses but can't afford health care? What about those with pre-existing conditions that can't work? Again you can't just assume it's lazy people that don't want to work that's causing the problem.
+Love Liberty 'Bullshit. Pelosi was asked if she read the bill. She did not, nor would she have understood it. '
You are, in fact, still incorrect (on multiple counts).
Pelosi's comments can, not from a question, but a speech at National Association of Counties’ annual Legislative Conference on 9 March 2010. The full transcript is below, but here are the remarks in context (emphasis mine).
'You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.'
It's clear that Pelosi is saying that the debate about the bill, the controversies around the process, etc., are obfuscating the good results that will come from it.
democraticleader.gov – Pelosi Remarks at the 2010 Legislative Conference for National Association of Counties – Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi
+Terence Roche Your shotgunning of "liberal guilt!" and Bad Big Government and Eric Holder and "Open Boarders" and Venezuela (not to mention a deplorable set of posts in your profile) indicate you're not here for a serious discussion. Aloha.
+Terence Roche +Love Liberty
So, 58 other countries in the world are able to look after 100% of their people for a whole lot less/capita than what Americans are paying today for what you have.
Countries (everyone in them) benefit from enormous social economic gains when something as basic as healthcare of a population is taken care of.
The mystery to me is why don't more Americans take a look at what's world class in 2017 and try to better that (being the best used to be an American trait… ) than look backwards and see how you little you can get away with or how many people can be excluded for a long list of questionable reasons.
As long as it fucks over the poor it's fine with them.
I have a feeling that the bill to repeal obamacare will "repeal obamacare" just a hunch.
+Skyraider 65 Along with alot of other horrible things.
+Love Liberty your results here would be interesting..
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html
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