If your prime counter-example is a domestic terrorist from almost twenty years go, it seems you're reaching — especially when the number of people killed by guns in that same time frame is much, much higher.
The analogy falls apart for other reasons. Yes, you are still "free" to buy fertilizer — but there are now restrictions on (and monitoring of) purchases of that type of fertilizer. You can rent a box truck — but try using your "freedom" to park one in front of a government building. (Also: it was diesel fuel, not racing fuel.)
And all of those things — fertilizer, diesel, box trucks — are used by millions of people in ways that have nothing to do with blowing up buildings.
Gun control is, in fact, people control — in that it ties to keep demonstrably (indeed, intentionally) deadly weapons out of situations and the hands of people where tragedy can occur. Yes, absolutely, murderers will murder with or without a gun — but there's a reason why most murderers go with the gun option: guns are fast, effective, work from a distance, and can target multiple people in very short order.
I don't kid myself that if only we ban all guns then we'll have puppies and unicorns and all sing "Kumbaya" together. Gun control is not a complete solution, nor is it the only tack we need to be taking — better mental health care* and prison rehabilitation** would go a long way toward eliminating some of the drivers toward violence that guns enable to be all the more deadly.
But it is blindingly clear that enabling factor of guns also needs to be factored in. Guns don't kill people — but they make it a lot easier for folks who want to kill people, or threaten to kill them, to do so. Yes, we should enforce the laws on the book more strenuously — but those laws have been purposefully watered down to allow loopholes for purchases, and to prevent or greatly hinder any sort of record-keeping or coordination between states and the feds to track problematic sellers or buyers, and other laws have been passed to prohibit or defund government efforts to even study the problem. Let's tackle that part, first, and then see where we are. But let's not just pretend that, because one heinous crime was committed without use of guns that guns — or, at least, their high availability for misuse — aren't a problem.
Unfortunately, any discussion of any sort of action that might help us control access to guns, or what sorts of firearms are needed in society to protect people from whatever people feel they need guns for, is apparently completely off the table, because the NRA and their firearms-industry-funded ilk immediately turn it into a huge conspiracy about how That Man in the White House and his thugs are going to take all our guns, throw us into prison camps, and do unspeakable acts to our womenfolk. Because only Adolph Hitler ever took away people's guns, and Timothy McVeigh didn't even use one.
[* Of course, I suspect a lot of the "the government is going to steal my gun just like the Nazis did" crowd will then start to shout that "the government is going to lock me up in an asylum for disagreeing with them, just like the Soviets did." See also: anti-vaxxers and parental rights fanatics.]
[** We often conflate, in the gun control / violence issue, "crazy" murderers and the use of guns by criminals. Trying to solve one doesn't help much with the other. Gun violence in the US is symptomatic of a lot of societal problems, and they all need to be solved. By the same token, a high fever is symptomatic of a lot of diseases, and usually the first thing doctors try to do is bring the fever down before they start tackling the underlying causes.]
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Good rebuttal.
Sometimes I wish I lived in the black and white world these people live in where there is only one cause to a problem.
Then I think that I might end up like them and I don't wish it any more.
There are a lot of causes to every problem society has and ignoring the relatively easy fixes in order to target (and by target, I mean ignore) the more complex fixes is really not productive.
Speaking as a gun owner (upwards of 15 long guns, and five or six handguns — combined count of mine and my husband's, hence the estimated numbers), I think most of the promoted gun control measures that I see go about things the wrong way. I recall reading one (only one) proposal that I would be willing to back and I wish that I had bookmarked the page because I don't remember even what it was called and I've never seen it in mainstream news.
And no, I'm not willing to offer an acceptable solution outside of "put me in charge, I'll fix the problems" because most of my ideas involve permanent sterilization, the death penalty, and hard labor… I will be a harsh dictator and I look forward to ruling the world. 😉
+Alysha DeShaé Terry I'd be interested in any details about that alternative solution you mention. For better or worse 🙂 , living in the Dictatorship of Alysha doesn't seem likely (and is antithetical to the principles of liberty that many gun freedom advocates seem to support.
Aside from dismissing every other proposal as "going about things the wrong way," is there some principle involved that you can identify? Do you agree that there is, in fact, a violence problem, and do you consider it solvable (or at least subject to mitigation)?
Reading this, I'm wondering how the "Not all gun owners" argument differs from the recent "not all men" argument. No disrespect to +Alysha DeShaé Terry who clearly is not a maniac (judging solely by her measured response here)
There are clearly responsible gun owners — arguably the vast majority. (Though even where there is responsibility, the ownership of guns increases the chance of accidents and gun-related suicides). On principle, I dislike infringing on someone's rights because some minority have abused it.
On the other hand, I dislike gun deaths, too. And I find the rhetoric from some on the pro-gun side to be maddening (if not societally dangerous).
I guess to think on your questions, +Damian Trasler, the "Not All Gun Owners" argument is worth consideration, esp. on an individual basis — but more from a "what is the solution?" standpoint than a "so is there really a problem?" standpoint.
Personally, I’m not interested in any meme propagated by a group of ammosexual gunhumpers whose proclaimed aim is to overthrow the Government of the United States. There’s a vast difference between the majority of gun owners, who are law abiding citizens, and not nuts, and those who espouse treason.