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Why we need gay marriage

I, in my capacity as a Vestry member at our church, received a long, heart-felt letter from a parishioner over the weekend, regarding the actions at the latest Episcopal General…

I, in my capacity as a Vestry member at our church, received a long, heart-felt letter from a parishioner over the weekend, regarding the actions at the latest Episcopal General Convention. After giving his reasons as to why the GC’s actions regarding gays had stuck in his craw, he said that he had to withdraw his participation in and support of the parish.

The guy’s not a raving reactionary, either. But there was something very clear from his letter.

First off, there was the objection to homosexual behavior, in the context of Biblical teaching, in general. Not much that can be done there, aside from patience. But the other half of his objection was that ECUSA was essentially creating a double-standard — approving of (or at least not condemning) non-marital sexual activity for gays.

And, ultmately it’s that simple.

I believe it’s better to teach that homosexuality is okay, and so homosexuals are expected to follow the same formal rules as heterosexuals, than to teach that homosexuality is okay, and it’s okay for them, but not straights, to shack up with each other.

I mean, it can be taught that the sort of relationships that gays ought to be in are what we expect from straights as well — faithful and committed and loving reflections of God’s love for us, etc., etc., but those can too easily be weasel words. Lots of straight people profess such relationships, too — is the church now going to say that it’s okay for them to live together without benefit (and blessing and commitment) of marriage? Probably not.

I actually do believe that this effective double-standard is going to have a more negative effect, in the short and long run, than simply marrying gays. People are often less upset about right or wrong than they are about fair and unfair.

This was reflected in the parish meeting we had a few weeks ago, too. A lot of the folks who stood up, wondering what we were teaching our children, were not just concerned about the homosexuality issue, but the “shacking up” issue, too. How do you teach Susie that the church doesn’t approve of her moving in with Bob, but wouldn’t object per se to her moving in with Lori? Broad, profound, true but fuzzy outlines like loving/caring/committed/faithful are open to interpretation. Having that marriage certificate isn’t.

And, yes, there are plenty of non-marital relationships that are as strong as, or more nurturing than, plenty of marital relationships out there. But it seems to me the church should be working on converting those non-marital relationships into marital ones, not effectively encouraging them for a new set of people.

So, if the Episcopal Church is going to accept gay relationships (which I think it should), then it should, as quickly as possible, move to coming up with a way to formalize and bless those relationships as marriages. Not simply condone them but not let them go any further. Not devise a “Marriage Lite” in the form of civil unions and specialized blessing ceremonies. But open the doors and let ’em in as first class married couples. It will drive some folks away, to be sure, but taking half-way measures is, I think, driving even more away.

CTJ

So we had an open discussion meeting tonight down at the church, to talk about the Episcopal Church’s decision to approve Gene Robinson as bishop, and it’s resolution on same-sex…

So we had an open discussion meeting tonight down at the church, to talk about the Episcopal Church’s decision to approve Gene Robinson as bishop, and it’s resolution on same-sex unions (we’re going to study it some more, but we acknowledge that it’s happening on some localities, and we’re not going to forbid it) affects people’s relationships to God, to the Church, and to our parish.

Two remarkable things happened.

1. We had about 50 people, over 10% of the congregation. That’s almost unheard of for Episcopalians.

2. Over half of the folks there spoke. That’s pretty damned unusual, too.

Lots of interesting stuff was said. What I found most intriguing is that you could not look at someone and say, “That person’s a good Christian and Episcopalian, therefore they are pleased/displeased by what happened at General Convention.” Some old-timers in the parish are deeply disturbed and troubled and are speaking of withdrawing. Others, of equally weighty credentials, are supportive of the GC’s actions, and happy with them. Anyone who thinks it’s a simple matter of “right-thinking” people falling on one side or the other of the debate would have been very disappointed.

We had folks expressing confusion. We had folks who were generally okay with it, but didn’t know what to tell their kids. We had folks who were obviously deeply angry about it all. We had folks who told their stories of being gay, or of having gay relatives. We had folks who talked about homosexual debauchery and pederasty.

(My own five minutes of fame was a brief recounting of how, contrary to the sense of “Christianity has been a monolithic, unchanging set of Scripturally-based theology since its founding, that the history of Christianity is one of constant evolution and revolution and revelation, from the tumultuous centuries of the early Church, to the Reformation, to the acceptance of (outside of Catholicism) of priests being married, to the rejection of slavery, to the acceptance of women to the priesthood. Each of those times were beset by accusations of radicalism and abandonment of Scriptural authority. Just ’cause it’s “always been that way” doesn’t mean that it should be, or that changing is, per se, wrong.)

One thing that multiple people, on all sides of the issue, noted was how neat it was that we could come together to discuss events, our feelings about them, and how we could remain in communion. It was not the classic “Come to Jesus” meeting, where the orthodox party line gets laid down and everyone learns how to toe it. Rather, it was more of a “Jesus, come to us” meeting, searching for clarity, and for community while discovering it.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this. I heard many painful stories (and, rhetorically, a lot of stupid arguments, and not just from folks I disagreed with). This evolution of the Episcopal Church is far from over, and I worry about the people we will lose — but not as much as I am happy about the honesty we will gain.

Variations on a theme

Lileks comments on the whole gay marriage thang: No, if heterosexual marriage is threatened by anything, it’s by heterosexuals. Famous heterosexuals in particular. We see them grinning from the covers…

Lileks comments on the whole gay marriage thang:

No, if heterosexual marriage is threatened by anything, it’s by heterosexuals. Famous heterosexuals in particular. We see them grinning from the covers of gossip mags, celebrating wedding No. 9 or dissolving marriage No. 14, or just having a hot fling with whatever good-gened, white-toothed cretin is the flavor of the season.
People don’t get divorced because Demi did. That’s not the point. But because the culture attaches no particular stigma to divorce or catting around, our pop-culture heroes don’t even have to pretend anymore. Say what you will about gay marriage, it’s nice to see someone taking the institution seriously.

Amen, Brother James.

Grasping at straws

Driving into work today, NPR had some maddeningly irksome opinion piece when I flipped on the radio, so I changed to a local station — which was also running some…

Driving into work today, NPR had some maddeningly irksome opinion piece when I flipped on the radio, so I changed to a local station — which was also running some maddeningly irksome opinion piece. So I flipped off the radio, though not before deciding to respond to the latter piece.

The topic was gay marriage, and the host was glibly asserting some truly stupid points. Such as:

There’s no Equal Protection issue here, because everyone works under the same restructions. Both gay people and straight people are treated exactly the same under the law, insofar as they are allowed to marry only someone of the opposite sex.

We might call this the Henry Ford Principle of Gender Relations: you can have the car any color you want, as long as it’s black. There’s a certain facile simplicity to it. Well, yeah, I guess you could look at it that way is the automatic reaction. Followed by, Huh?

Because the cases aren’t the same. Because the direction of affection is not the same.

Let us say that Town X decided that three young women in the town needed to be married off. So they declared that the only marriages that would take place were marriages to those three women. That might be fine, if you were already in love with or were attracted to one of them. But if you loved that other young woman not partpart of that group, you’d hardly feel like you were being treated fairly.

Or let’s say that the Federal Government decides that everyone on welfare is going to get free food. Fine, you say, and you trundle off to the free food distribution point — only to find out it’s all cheese and milk and ice cream, and you’re lactose intolerant. “Don’t you have anything that I can eat?” you ask, and are told that you’re being treated exactly the same as everyone else — your particular proclivity against dairy is not their fault, and needn’t be accomodated.

Hmmm. Accomodation. Let’s say you went down to the government office in your wheelchair (or walker, or pushing a baby carriage) — and found yourself facing a huge flight of stairs. “A little help here,” you ask, and are told that you’re not being treated any differently from anyone else — the doors are open to anyone who decides to climb those stairs.

Or let’s look at it from a different perspective. Let’s pass a miscegenation law again. “It’s fair,” we could argue. “Blacks and whites are being treated equally — they are limited to marrying only those of their own color.” Problem is, the Supremes have already established (in 1967) that’s unconstitutional (Loving v. Virginia), both on an Equal Protection and Due Process basis. Without a compelling state interest, subject to the greatest scrutiny, interfering with the freedom to marry cannot stand. “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men. Marriage is one of the ‘basic civil rights of man,’ fundamental to our very existence and survival.”

(Actually, one of the arguments against the Virginia law was a bit different, in that it imposed limitations only on whites getting married — blacks and Orientals and Indians could marry each other to their heart’s content. But the court rejected that even if it were applied equally would the law stand, because the basis for the law, racism, was not a legitimate state interest.)

The second half of the argument was even sillier than the first. It was the assertion that there is no discrimination involved because, by gosh, some gays marry different-gender spouses. The commentator granted that it was usually to hide their orientation from the general public — but he was strangely quiet about defending the True Purpose of marriage, instead merely saying that obviously it meant that everything was fine because, see, even homosexuals can and get married under the present system.

Just not to the ones they want to marry.

But obviously that’s not important. So long as they can marry someone.

Such respect for the “institution of marriage.”

Feh.

Can’t tell your players without a program

Yet another off-the-wall reason why gay marriage is a Bad Thing: it means women can be replaced. Yes, that’s right, the removal of a woman as one-half of a marriage…

Yet another off-the-wall reason why gay marriage is a Bad Thing: it means women can be replaced. Yes, that’s right, the removal of a woman as one-half of a marriage (at least among marriages between gay men) would be a defeat for women’s rights. Or their right to be brides. Or something like that.

Our [Canadian] Constitution’s phrases about “not discriminate” once meant “not treat unfairly,” but is now re-interpreted as “not distinguish.” It is taken to mean that men and women are the very same thing.
But they are not the same. Over the last hundred years there has been good progress in getting women represented in such institutions as the courts and parliament. If it is now decided that a man can represent a woman, will there be any necessity to have women in other institutions?

Right. If women can be booted out of gay marriages, then they can be booted out of the workplace, too.

Men are physically stronger than women. They have more influence in society. They earn higher incomes with better pensions. They are employable even after age 50. They are not subject to the potential dangers of childbirth, one of the many uncertainties of a marriage. How can two men, two equally privileged persons, say they form a marriage?

Gay marriage — yet another attempt by the patriarchy to degrade and oppress women. You heard it here, first (unless you heard it first on the CBC).

Yeesh.

(via Daimnation)

‘Tain’t natural!

Eugene Volokh reprises his arguments about why the “It isn’t natural!” position re homosexuality doesn’t hold water. Worth (re)reading (as are the two posts on the subject below it)….

Eugene Volokh reprises his arguments about why the “It isn’t natural!” position re homosexuality doesn’t hold water.

Worth (re)reading (as are the two posts on the subject below it).

Sanctity

Jeff Jacoby is unhappy with the prospect of gay marriage. In fact, it goes beyond unhappy. [T]he heterosexuality of marriage helps shield women and children from exploitation, cements the union…

Jeff Jacoby is unhappy with the prospect of gay marriage. In fact, it goes beyond unhappy.

[T]he heterosexuality of marriage helps shield women and children from exploitation, cements the union between fathers and mothers, and bolsters the ethos of monogamy on which the dignity of marriage depends.

Huh?

Reading carefully — very carefully — the only basis he gives for this is that every change in society that has made it possible to have sex and not deal with the natal consequences (he mentions contraception as one, and presumably divorce would count, too) has led to a weakening of the responsibility of fathers to take care of their mates and offspring, leading to mass hysteria and dogs and cats living in sin.

Well, I’m not sure on the latter part, and Jacoby seems willing to live with the consequences of reliable birth control (but why?), but it seems that his premise is same-sex marriages will want kids, but, obviously, can’t have them within the marriage, and therefore the marital safety net that protects kids (and woman) will be weakend beyond all redemption.

Uh … right.

Actually, that’s already happening with gay couples. If we had state-sanctioned gay marriage, then the kids that are adopted or inseminated into such relationships would be protected, by all the laws we already have on the books regarding child support and custody and parental obligations. Jacoby’s argument makes no sense, either for the protection of children or for the “dignity” of marriage.

And what is the threat, exactly, that gay marriages hold for straight unions? Here’s Jacoby’s trump card, his argument that sweeps all others off to the side:

Gay marriage will allow gays that are married to straights to divorce them and marry gay partners.

Never mind that plenty of gays divorce straight partners, today, when they realize or come to grips with their orientation. Heck, never mind that straights divorce their straight partners, in far greater numbers, for far flimsier reasons. Jacoby is willing to ignore all that.

He uses, instead, as a numeric basis for his claim the statistic that of those 5,700 gay couples who have married under Vermont’s civil union law, 40%, about 2,000, of the couples had at least one member who had previously been married.

Never mind that Vermont has over 2,000 divorces, regardless of the reason, annually (and folks uniting in Vermont come from all over the nation). Never mind that there’s no foundation for believing that any (let alone all) of those 3,000-odd folks left their (presumably) straight partner for someone in particular, let alone the person they ended up uniting with. And never mind that the statistic doesn’t indicate who left whom in those divorces, or whether homosexuality was even the explicit cause of them. No, never mind that — just remember that gay marriage will mean a rise in the straight divorce rate, because Jacoby has the statistics to prove it. Right.

I do believe that our society too easily accepts divorce as an answer to marital difficulties, with little cognizance of the actual trauma that divorce has on the partners (especially any children involved). I do believe the divorce rate is too high. And I believe that as someone who was once divorced.

But first off, divorcing someone because you are, well, sexually incompatible with them, is a sight better than a lot of the reasons divorces occur today. And perhaps, if gay marriage were available and acceptible in the first place, a lot of those straight marriages wouldn’t have occured — or won’t occur in the future (Jacoby recognizes that, but, oddly, mourns it).

At any rate, it’s a silly reason to argue against gay marriage, and a silly argument altogether.

(via JillMatrix)

And while we’re on the subject …

Ghost of a Flea has a fine post on the long-overdue memorial being put up in Berlin to commemorate the gay victims of the Nazi Holocaust. Without taking anything away…

Ghost of a Flea has a fine post on the long-overdue memorial being put up in Berlin to commemorate the gay victims of the Nazi Holocaust.

Without taking anything away from the horror of the “Final Solution” that the Nazis unleashed against the Jews, it’s worth remembering that many other “undesirable” groups were subject to arrest, torture, imprisonment in concentration camps, “medical” experimentation, and execution in Germany during that era. Homosexuals, gypsies, political dissidents, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Communists and Trade Unionists … all were imprisoned and died by the thousands.

Some 100,000 men (only male homosexuality was a crime) were arrested under a harshened 1935 anti-sodomy statute. 5-15,000 of those convicted ended up in the concentration camps, where they were often treated harshly both by guards and inmates alike.

In a particuarly cruel irony, the homosexuals freed from the concentration camps by Allied forces … were then transferred to German prisons to serve out the remainder of their terms. Nor were they ever provided any reparations from the German state. The Nazi-era anti-sodomy law remained on the books in West Germany until 1969.

Let us never forget ….

UPDATE: And for those who might be forgetting(via ITL?)

Sauce for the gander

I am, to be honest, very satisfied with the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence, striking down anti-sodomy laws. It’s a move that is well past when I would have liked…

I am, to be honest, very satisfied with the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence, striking down anti-sodomy laws. It’s a move that is well past when I would have liked to have seen it. I think society has, as a whole, been there and moved on. Homosexuality may not be approved of by the populace at large, “but as long as they keep it behind closed doors, I don’t care what they do” is the rule of the day.

When Wal-Mart adds sexual orientation to their list of non-discrimination policies, you know mainstream America has arrived.

Indeed, even the more conservative folks I know are less outraged by homosexuality per se than by in-your-face gay rights activism, especiallly of the fringe sort. (The same is true for general public feelings about pretty much any social movement, whether it’s feminism, Christianity, or Republicans.) The Lawrence decision is not “taking sides in the culture war,” as the dissent asserted, but accepting that particular battle is long since decided.

And it’s not like there isn’t precedent. As Marn noted the other day:

Want to know the truth? We’ve been letting our consenting adult homos put their pee pees anywhere they want up here in Canuckistan for 35 years. We have not suffered a complete and utter social breakdown, unless you count the success of Celine Dion AND GOOD LORD THE AMERICANS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT, I JUST KNOW IT, AND YOU CAN’T HOLD HER AGAINST MY COUNTRY FOREVER, CAN YOU???

So I think the Republic is safe.

Where things move from here, of course, is the true next battle: gay marriage. Already, folks who would traditionally argue the case of states rights to handle matters as they wish are pushing for a US Constitutional Amendment to trump any states that might want to recognize gay marriage.

(Never mind that the vast majority of Constitutional Amendments have either been procedural, or else established liberty, not restricted it, and that the most noteworthy exception, the 18th (Prohibition) was a miserable flop.)

The problem is two-fold. First off, the Lawrence case has, by overturning anti-sodomy statutes, ripped a huge prop out from under various other laws that allow governmental discrimination against gays, e.g., in marriage or in adoption procedings. It used to be, in those states with such laws, that they could be pointed as as a justification for such discrimination. “Hey, we’d love to let you adopt a kid — but under this rarely-enforced-but-still-present law here … you’re a criminal! It’s nothing personal — it’s the law!” On the face of it, then, equal protection challenges to gender specification in marriage and adoption laws are inevitable (and justified).

The problem is, I don’t think that this particular cultural battle is anywhere near as “won” as the fundamental legality of what goes on behind closed doors. It’s one thing for John Q. Public to not care what folks do, as long as it’s not done in the street, scaring the horses. But formal state sanction of it? Well — that sort of is doing it in the street. It moves homosexuality from a don’t-ask-don’t-tell behind-closed-doors position to something that must be formally recognized by Your Tax Dollars. That makes a lot of folks — today — uncomfortable.

The current line of defense, which probably won’t hold either, is between social toleration of homosexuals and social approval of homosexuality. Or between accepting the reality that people are gay, even accepting that gays are people, and endorsing something called “the gay agenda.” Gay marriage, the opponents will argue, would cross this line. It would make homosexuality respectable and, worse, normal. Gays are welcome to exist all they want, and to do their inexplicable thing if they must, but they shouldn’t expect a government stamp of approval.

Of course, a lot of that publicly expressed discomfort sounds more like posturing:

On Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the Supreme Court’s decision on gay sex threatens to make the American home a place where criminality is condoned. He said he supported the proposed constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage in the United States.

Um, Bill? The Supremes just said we’re not talking about criminality. Don’t look stupid.

The irony is that by trying to so protect marriage, conservatives are just as likely to destroy it through irrelevance. Already there is a parallel system of “civil unions” cropping up like crabgrass — marriage in all but name, but with a hodge-podge of legal protections and little precedent regarding dissolution, child custody, property rights, etc. The true threat to marriage, as we now know it, is that such civil unions will become the norm. What final form they might take is still unknown, and thus probably more of a covert threat to social order than gay marriage per se.

Or there’s the other direction, which says, “Why the heck is the state in the business of recognizing marriage anyway?” Why, such folks ask, don’t we — well, privatize marriage?

If marriage were an entirely private affair, all the disputes over gay marriage would become irrelevant. Gay marriage would not have the official sanction of government, but neither would straight marriage. There would be official equality between the two, which is the essence of what gays want and are entitled to. And if the other side is sincere in saying that its concern is not what people do in private, but government endorsement of a gay “lifestyle” or “agenda,” that problem goes away, too.
Yes, yes, marriage is about more than sleeping arrangements. There are children, there are finances, there are spousal job benefits like health insurance and pensions. In all these areas, marriage is used as a substitute for other factors that are harder to measure, such as financial dependence or devotion to offspring. It would be possible to write rules that measure the real factors at stake and leave marriage out of the matter. Regarding children and finances, people can set their own rules, as many already do.

An interesting thought — and one that I’ve heard in more than one place. I don’t agree with that approach — I think there’s a lot of value in the current history of law regarding marriage and marriage rights, and simply tossing that aside for more ambigious indicators of implied contract would be a huge waste. If social conservatives want to protect marriage, that’s the battle they need to be fighting.

UPDATE: Over at Volokh, Jacob Levy has a good analysis of the political fall-out from Lawrence. Assuming (a huge assumption, to be sure) that the GOP doesn’t act incredibly goofy, he sees it as a possible win for Republicans, because it moves the debate from “Should consenting gay sex be legal?” (which the GOP had to argue against to assuage its conservative supporters, but which was a long-term loser for them) to the far-less-settled “Should gays marry?” question which is far less embarrassing (though, IMO, still wrong) for them to hold a conservative position on. He also argues persuasively that Lawrence v. Texas is not the galvanizing event for the Right that Roe v. Wade was.

Also from Volokh, Juan Non-Volokh notes the dangers to both the Dems and gay activists overreaching from Lawrence.

For starters, Americans appear to have somewhat ambivalent views about homosexuality. As Jeffrey Rosen notes, a majority of Americans still believes that homosexual activity is morally wrong, even if they would not seek to outlaw or otherwise stigmatize it. Whereas most Americans may oppose sodomy laws, this does not mean that Americans fully embrace an “I’m okay, your okay” approach to human sexuality. Most Americans are tolerant of homosexuality – as well they should be – but this does not mean most Americans approve of homosexuality. Insofar as Democrats — or gay activists — fail to recognize this, they may overreach and provoke the political backlash that the Lawrence decision, standing alone, never could.

Unintended Consequences

Some interesting observations (via some linked posts) on an unintended — but positive — aspect of gay marriage: rationalizing custody laws. After all, if gender is removed from the “roles”…

Some interesting observations (via some linked posts) on an unintended — but positive — aspect of gay marriage: rationalizing custody laws. After all, if gender is removed from the “roles” in marriages, then (when the inevitable divorces come along), biases of favoring one gender over another in custody battles (and spousal support) are going to be difficult to maintain.

And, as an afterthought, Glenn adds (emphasis mine):

Personally, I’m in favor of legalizing gay marriage. I don’t see that gay marriage diminishes marriage, any more than the many Jerry-Springer types who are allowed to get married now diminish marriage. I have gay friends who are, for all practical purposes, married. I don’t see why barring them from going to the courthouse benefits anyone.
There are some conservatives who say that the advocacy of gay marriage is part of a campaign by some liberals to undermine marriage in general — and I think there probably are some people on the left (or in whatever la-la land the MacKinnon / Dworkin types and their near-kin inhabit) who think that it will do that. But I rather suspect it will have the opposite effect. Let gays get married and they’ll become a bulwark of the bourgeoisie. That’s my prediction, anyway.

Makes sense to me.

Terror alert

I’ll bet the Disney folks are reconsidering their irritation at the new FAA regs that forbid flying over Disneyland and Disneyworld (for homeland security reasons). A Christian group is suing…

I’ll bet the Disney folks are reconsidering their irritation at the new FAA regs that forbid flying over Disneyland and Disneyworld (for homeland security reasons). A Christian group is suing the FAA to lift the restrictions, claiming that it violates their right to free speech, to wit their ability to fly big banners over the park during “Gay Days” that read “JESUS CHRIST: HOPE FOR HOMOSEXUALS.COM.”

What is it, File a Lunatic Lawsuit Week?

(via BoingBoing)

Gay marriage

Coming soon to a nation near you? It does make me wonder what the effect of having legalized gay marriage in Canada would have on the US. Would we see…

Coming soon to a nation near you?

It does make me wonder what the effect of having legalized gay marriage in Canada would have on the US. Would we see an outmigration of gays to Canada? Canadian immigration laws are, I understand, pretty tough, but the same is true for the US, and we’ve seen oppression elsewhere redound to our benefit here as the “best and brightest” fled to the States. While I’m sure there are some who would be pleased to see gays leave the country, that’s basically a stupid and short-sighted attitude to take.

Would gay marriage in Canada increase the chances of the same thing happening here? Maybe. Not directly, perhaps — for two peoples as similar as the US and Canada, we (particularly our governments) spend a lot of time highlighting the differences. But this isn’t nationalized medicine. The drift of social conventions, the meme if you will, will have an impact. It will be difficult for folks to argue that legalizing gay marriage will lead to debauchery on the streets and the downfall of civilization when folks right across the border are doing it without any particular harm. (Granted, debauchery on the streets is a bit more difficult in Canada’s climate, but that’s a technical detail.) And, perhaps, if there are any hitches (so to speak) that develop (cf. nationalized medical insurance), we can learn some lessons from our neighbors to the north.

Should be interesting, at any rate.

(via DiscountBlogger)

UPDATE: More grist for the economic benefits mill, via JillMatrix:

[T]he big new-ideas and cutting-edge industries that lead to sustained prosperity are more likely to exist where gay people feel welcome. Most centers of tech-based business growth also have the highest concentrations of gay couples. Conversely, major areas with relatively few gay couples tend to be slow- or no-growth places. Pittsburgh and Buffalo, which have low percentages of gay couples, were two of only three major regions to lose population from 1990 to 2000.

Studies controlling for a wide range of factors also show innovation and economic vitality closely associated with the presence of gays and other indicators of tolerance and diversity, such as the percentage of immigrants and the level of racial and ethnic integration.

Why? Creative, innovative and entrepreneurial activities tend to flourish in the same kinds of places that attract gays and others outside the norm. To put it bluntly, a place where it’s OK for men to walk down the street holding hands will probably also be a place where Indian engineers, tattooed software geeks and foreign-born entrepreneurs feel at home. When people from varied backgrounds, places and attitudes can collide, economic home runs are likely.

Food for thought.

When is a Senator like a Mafiaso?

When it comes to intolerance of gays. Fearing they would be the laughingstock of New York’s underworld, a mafia turncoat testified in court Wednesday that he killed his mob boss…

When it comes to intolerance of gays.

Fearing they would be the laughingstock of New York’s underworld, a mafia turncoat testified in court Wednesday that he killed his mob boss because he engaged in gay sex.
Anthony Capo, a former soldier for the New Jersey-based DeCavalcante family, which is often described as the real-life “Sopranos,” said he killed John “Johnny Boy” D’Amato after finding out about his secret life, the New York Post reports.
“Nobody’s gonna respect us if we have a gay homosexual boss sitting down discussing La Cosa Nostra business,” Capo told jurors in Manhattan federal court ….

I’m sure Sen. Santorum would deplore the outcome, even while appreciating the sentiment.

Hmmm. So, I suspect, would a lot of folks in the Pentagon.

Maybe that should give them pause.

(via Volokh)

Foot in head disease

I was going to write a long screed about Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum’s recent blithering about gay rights and the impending doom of civilization, but — well, Doyce stole a…

I was going to write a long screed about Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum’s recent blithering about gay rights and the impending doom of civilization, but — well, Doyce stole a goodly chunk of my thunder.

I will note that the “love the sinner, hate the sin” philosophy is a difficult but fairly acceptable theological statement, but as a socio-political one it’s a bitch to implement, especially as Santorum frames things. I have no problem with homosexuality — I have a problem with homosexual acts, he says. Right.

The basic argument he puts forward — and what got him into hot water in the AP interview he was quoted from — is that he believes that a Supreme Court ruling in the Lawrence v. Texas case would mean that anything done consensually in private would be automatically legal — whereas the actual point of the appeal is that the state must demonstrate a compelling reason to legislate against personal freedoms, and that Texas has failed to do so other than a sort of vague, “It’s icky” standard.

If “it’s icky” is to be the criterion for what the state can prohibit, I fear not many of the freedoms n the Constitution will bear close examination.

Santorum (who, coincidentally enough, was the Bush administration Senate leader for its faith-based charity initiative) eventually becomes more specific in his charges that the Supremes accepting this argument (which, one would think, would be key to any truly conservative political philosophy, but the GOP has always been in favor of Big Government when it comes to the Morals Police) would lead to all sorts of horrors.

If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.

Well, again, yes, you can argue that if the state can’t provide compelling reasons why someone should not be able to do something, they should be able to do it. If Santorum thinks that there are no objective reasons against polygamy, incest, and adultery besides his own personal whim, then, yes, I suppose that would come to pass.

Of course, there might be worse horrors in the world than polygamy (which seems to have Biblical approval, whereas homosexuality arguably does not — and let’s not discuss incest), but Santorum seems to see this as the prospective fall of Western Civilization, or at least American society.

And the further you extend it out, the more you — this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family. You say, well, it’s my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that’s antithetical to strong, healthy families. Whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, where it’s sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family.

Which other laws would Sen. Santorum like to see the states be able to enact to endorse (and enforce?) the “healthy, stable, traditional family”? Eliminate “no-fault” divorce? Require extensive counseling and approval by a governmental third party before marriage and/or child-rearing would be allowed?

The “traditional” family often was an extended one. Should we expect governmental travel restrictions in the future, to ensure that people live near or with their parents? After all, freedom of movement is no more spelled out in the Constitution than freedom of privacy, which Santorum seems so willing to simply dismiss.

Of course, Santorum mistakes “traditional” for “healthy and stable.” There have been unhealthy families, and unstable ones, even under “traditional” guises. But if we omit the “traditional” rubric, how is it that allowing homosexual sex — or even, gasp, homosexual unions (marriages) — is “antithetical” to “healthy, stable families”?

Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman.

We’ll leave aside Santorum’s rather limited anthropological knowledge, and move right along …

Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that’s what? Children. Monogamous relationships.

Aha! So we can have a really strong society if we restrict marriage only to couples who are going to bear children. That’s the point of society, right? Children?

And monogamy! Stable relationships! Music to the ears of such traditional GOP stalwarts as Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Newt Gingrich … all of whom were divorced, in some cases even with (gasp) children involved.

(We’ll leave aside how many societies, including ours, have enshrined as important, vital members of society those who have pursued celebacy, neither having children nor getting married. Presumably, by Santorum’s societal calculus, these folks — sometimes known as priests, monks or nuns — are equally corrosive to a healthy society.)

Of course, Santorum is a politician, so take anything he says with a grain of salt. In a press release yesterday, in response to the furor, he asserted, “My comments should not be misconstrued in any way as a statement on individual lifestyles.”

What they are a statement on is not, therefore, altogether clear. Is it a matter of “some of my best friends are gay, but I’m talking about all those other ones,” or what?

Hey, look — I wrote a long screed anyway. Go figure.

‘Tain’t natural!

A nice analysis by Eugene Volokh on why the whole “homosexuality is wrong because it isn’t natural” argument is a bit difficult to understand. What, after all, does “unnatural” mean?…

A nice analysis by Eugene Volokh on why the whole “homosexuality is wrong because it isn’t natural” argument is a bit difficult to understand. What, after all, does “unnatural” mean? And how does that apply to other things which are “unnatural”?

Nicely done.

Well, at least someone showed some sense

And, remarkably enough, it was Jerry Thacker himself, who has withdrawn from his appointment to the Presidential Advisory Commission on HIV and AIDS. This is the gent who has previously…

And, remarkably enough, it was Jerry Thacker himself, who has withdrawn from his appointment to the Presidential Advisory Commission on HIV and AIDS.

This is the gent who has previously referred to AIDS as the “gay plague,” and to the “gay deathstyle” as being a major cause of the disease. And when he and his wife discovered they had contracted HIV due to a transfusion they’d received, the worst part of it was (to them) the disease’s association with the “sin” of homosexuality, and the fear that folks might think (gasp) they were gay.

I think it’s fine that a straight man was chosen by the Bush administration to be on the commission. I don’t even mind a modicum (though the Bushies are aiming for a lot more than that) of discussion about abstinence in the context of AIDS prevention.

But to have chosen someone whose homophobia is so clear to such a panel was … well, just damned stupid of the administration, despite the shucking and jiving by Ari Fleischer today:

“The views that he holds are far, far removed from what the president believes,” Fleischer said. “The president has a total opposite view. … The president’s view is that people with AIDS need to be treated with care, compassion.”

Then why the heck was he chosen to the commission? Didn’t anybody read his damned web page? Yeesh.

(via JillMatrix)

Prying eyes

The US Supreme Court has agreed to review its 1986 decision (Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 US 186) that upheld the right of states to pass laws against homosexual acts, generally…

The US Supreme Court has agreed to review its 1986 decision (Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 US 186) that upheld the right of states to pass laws against homosexual acts, generally classified as oral or anal sex.

Bully for them.

I really scratch my head over this sort of law, in the face of the Fourteenth Amendment diktat for Equal Protection under the law (not to mention more nebulous privacy rights). It seems to me, to support such laws, you have to take one of the following positions:

1. These laws treat everyone equally. The problem is, they don’t, either on the face of it (laws in states that specify same-sex acts), or in practice (laws in states that outlaw anal or oral sex, but, when actually enforced, are only enforced on homosexuals). The assertion that laws in states that make illegal same-sex acts provide Equal Protection” because they apply to homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals who might think about “experimenting” doesn’t pass the horse laugh test.

2. There is a qualitative difference in oral or anal sex depending on the genders of one or another (or both) of the individuals involved. In other words, Equal Protection doesn’t apply because these are not equal cases. This point has at least some ground for argument, since I can think of at least one other significant instance in US law where qualities of the participants in a sex act are considered in its legality: age.

But that quality is not a relatively arbitrary one, but is founded in a body of law regarding consent and minors. There is no question in this case, or in these laws, of consent, or of the ability of the participants to consent.

Further, if you can argue that there is some societally-significant quality (other than aesthetics) that makes oral sex on a women legally different depending on whether it’s a man or a woman on the giving end, then you can also make the same argument about the race of the participants, or the nationality, or the religion, or the social class. Such arguments have been made in the past, but are generally considered abhorrent by the majority of citizens in the nation at this time. I think the principle applies here, too.

Ah, but what about morality? The DA in the Texas case, defending their law, says, “Morality is a fluid concept and public opinion regarding moral issues may change over time, but what has not changed is the understanding that government may require adherence to certain widely accepted moral standards and sanction deviations from those standards.”

Actually, arguing the constitutionality of a law on just moral principles is (and should be) a difficult line to take. That’s because, as the DA notes, it’s a fluid concept, and tends to run into First Amendment barriers as well, which is why the law is more often based on questions of preventing/punishing objective harm, or, slightly more nebulously, the related cause of preserving public order. If we’re talking about consensual acts conducted in private, neither fears of objective harm nor public disorder seem to pertain.

Given the Court’s recent history on privacy cases, and its willingness to rehear its 86 decision, I’ve got a moderate level of confidence that the Texas law (et al.) will be struck down. Most people I know, even those who have moral qualms about homosexuality, tend to take the line of the British actress, Mrs. Patrick Campbell, who said, “My dear, I don’t care what they do, so long as they don’t do it in the street and scare the horses.” I think the Supremes will agree.

UPDATE: Via FindLaw, the request to the Supremes to hear the case and overturn the conviction can be found here. The argument against can be found here.

Mental illness

A Mississippi judge opines that, rather than passing a law like one in California that allows gays the right to file wrongful death suits regarding their partners, “gays and lesbians…

A Mississippi judge opines that, rather than passing a law like one in California that allows gays the right to file wrongful death suits regarding their partners, “gays and lesbians should be put in some type of mental institution.”

He’s now confused why gay rights groups are concerned whether he would be able render a fair judgment on the bench.

“I wish somebody that’s been offended would come up and let me show them what I think of them, the individual. I have no feelings against them,” Wilkerson said. “I don’t ask a fellow if they’re a homosexual or a lady if she’s a lesbian when they come in front of me. That has nothing to do with my judging.”

Unless, of course, the case has something to do with a homosexual, one would assume, or if it comes out during testimony. Could a gay person actually get a fair hearing in this gent’s courtroom? Would his or her testimony be automatically discredited if he or she were “found out”?

After all, according to his letter, gays should should look for help with their “disease” in the Bible — where, in the passages he cites (Romans 1:31-32), it notes that those who break God’s laws, and those who approve of them, are “worthy of death.”

And there is, of course, the little matter of the Mississippi Code of Judicial Conduct, which says judges should avoid “expressions of bias or prejudice.”

Guess who has my vote as to needing some time in a mental institution in this scenario.

(Via Doyce, who makes some fine observations of his own.)

The Law of Unintended Consequences

According to this story, the hyper-strict social and legal restrictions on male-female contact in Afghanistan have led to an increase in opportunistic homosexuality. I don’t think that’s what they intended…

According to this story, the hyper-strict social and legal restrictions on male-female contact in Afghanistan have led to an increase in opportunistic homosexuality. I don’t think that’s what they intended …

But a visitor who comments on such things is likely to be told they are not signs of homosexuality. Hugging doesn’t mean sex, locals insist. Men who use kohl and henna are simply “uneducated.”
Regardless, when asked directly, few deny that a significant percentage of men in this region have sex with men and boys. Just ask Mullah Mohammed Ibrahim, a local cleric.
“Ninety percent of men have the desire to commit this sin,” the mullah says. “But most are right with God and exercise control. Only 20 to 50% of those who want to do this actually do it.”

(Via JillMatrix)

I was waiting for this one

Father of a (presumably straight) girl in a San Diego high school filed a complaint that there should be separate bathroom and locker room facilities for lesbian girls attending the…

Father of a (presumably straight) girl in a San Diego high school filed a complaint that there should be separate bathroom and locker room facilities for lesbian girls attending the school.

Scott filed a complaint last month alleging discrimination and intolerance by “not addressing a very clear right of privacy violation” that required the girl to share facilities with homosexual students and staff.
Trustee Ted Crooks said that there were no allegations that students or staff made sexual advances to other students in restrooms.

The complaint was rejected by the school board, which noted that it would be illegal to establish separate facilities for gay students.

I’m waiting now for someone to suggest that the lesbian girls can use the boys locker room, and the gay boys can use the girls locker room …

(Via JillMatrix, who comments, “But I think her father is so right. Private, lesbian-only facilities. Yes. With a masseuse and steam room and …”)