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Why we need gay marriage

I, in my capacity as a Vestry member at our church, received a long, heart-felt letter from a parishioner over the weekend, regarding the actions at the latest Episcopal General…

I, in my capacity as a Vestry member at our church, received a long, heart-felt letter from a parishioner over the weekend, regarding the actions at the latest Episcopal General Convention. After giving his reasons as to why the GC’s actions regarding gays had stuck in his craw, he said that he had to withdraw his participation in and support of the parish.

The guy’s not a raving reactionary, either. But there was something very clear from his letter.

First off, there was the objection to homosexual behavior, in the context of Biblical teaching, in general. Not much that can be done there, aside from patience. But the other half of his objection was that ECUSA was essentially creating a double-standard — approving of (or at least not condemning) non-marital sexual activity for gays.

And, ultmately it’s that simple.

I believe it’s better to teach that homosexuality is okay, and so homosexuals are expected to follow the same formal rules as heterosexuals, than to teach that homosexuality is okay, and it’s okay for them, but not straights, to shack up with each other.

I mean, it can be taught that the sort of relationships that gays ought to be in are what we expect from straights as well — faithful and committed and loving reflections of God’s love for us, etc., etc., but those can too easily be weasel words. Lots of straight people profess such relationships, too — is the church now going to say that it’s okay for them to live together without benefit (and blessing and commitment) of marriage? Probably not.

I actually do believe that this effective double-standard is going to have a more negative effect, in the short and long run, than simply marrying gays. People are often less upset about right or wrong than they are about fair and unfair.

This was reflected in the parish meeting we had a few weeks ago, too. A lot of the folks who stood up, wondering what we were teaching our children, were not just concerned about the homosexuality issue, but the “shacking up” issue, too. How do you teach Susie that the church doesn’t approve of her moving in with Bob, but wouldn’t object per se to her moving in with Lori? Broad, profound, true but fuzzy outlines like loving/caring/committed/faithful are open to interpretation. Having that marriage certificate isn’t.

And, yes, there are plenty of non-marital relationships that are as strong as, or more nurturing than, plenty of marital relationships out there. But it seems to me the church should be working on converting those non-marital relationships into marital ones, not effectively encouraging them for a new set of people.

So, if the Episcopal Church is going to accept gay relationships (which I think it should), then it should, as quickly as possible, move to coming up with a way to formalize and bless those relationships as marriages. Not simply condone them but not let them go any further. Not devise a “Marriage Lite” in the form of civil unions and specialized blessing ceremonies. But open the doors and let ’em in as first class married couples. It will drive some folks away, to be sure, but taking half-way measures is, I think, driving even more away.

Variations on a theme

Lileks comments on the whole gay marriage thang: No, if heterosexual marriage is threatened by anything, it’s by heterosexuals. Famous heterosexuals in particular. We see them grinning from the covers…

Lileks comments on the whole gay marriage thang:

No, if heterosexual marriage is threatened by anything, it’s by heterosexuals. Famous heterosexuals in particular. We see them grinning from the covers of gossip mags, celebrating wedding No. 9 or dissolving marriage No. 14, or just having a hot fling with whatever good-gened, white-toothed cretin is the flavor of the season.
People don’t get divorced because Demi did. That’s not the point. But because the culture attaches no particular stigma to divorce or catting around, our pop-culture heroes don’t even have to pretend anymore. Say what you will about gay marriage, it’s nice to see someone taking the institution seriously.

Amen, Brother James.

Grasping at straws

Driving into work today, NPR had some maddeningly irksome opinion piece when I flipped on the radio, so I changed to a local station — which was also running some…

Driving into work today, NPR had some maddeningly irksome opinion piece when I flipped on the radio, so I changed to a local station — which was also running some maddeningly irksome opinion piece. So I flipped off the radio, though not before deciding to respond to the latter piece.

The topic was gay marriage, and the host was glibly asserting some truly stupid points. Such as:

There’s no Equal Protection issue here, because everyone works under the same restructions. Both gay people and straight people are treated exactly the same under the law, insofar as they are allowed to marry only someone of the opposite sex.

We might call this the Henry Ford Principle of Gender Relations: you can have the car any color you want, as long as it’s black. There’s a certain facile simplicity to it. Well, yeah, I guess you could look at it that way is the automatic reaction. Followed by, Huh?

Because the cases aren’t the same. Because the direction of affection is not the same.

Let us say that Town X decided that three young women in the town needed to be married off. So they declared that the only marriages that would take place were marriages to those three women. That might be fine, if you were already in love with or were attracted to one of them. But if you loved that other young woman not partpart of that group, you’d hardly feel like you were being treated fairly.

Or let’s say that the Federal Government decides that everyone on welfare is going to get free food. Fine, you say, and you trundle off to the free food distribution point — only to find out it’s all cheese and milk and ice cream, and you’re lactose intolerant. “Don’t you have anything that I can eat?” you ask, and are told that you’re being treated exactly the same as everyone else — your particular proclivity against dairy is not their fault, and needn’t be accomodated.

Hmmm. Accomodation. Let’s say you went down to the government office in your wheelchair (or walker, or pushing a baby carriage) — and found yourself facing a huge flight of stairs. “A little help here,” you ask, and are told that you’re not being treated any differently from anyone else — the doors are open to anyone who decides to climb those stairs.

Or let’s look at it from a different perspective. Let’s pass a miscegenation law again. “It’s fair,” we could argue. “Blacks and whites are being treated equally — they are limited to marrying only those of their own color.” Problem is, the Supremes have already established (in 1967) that’s unconstitutional (Loving v. Virginia), both on an Equal Protection and Due Process basis. Without a compelling state interest, subject to the greatest scrutiny, interfering with the freedom to marry cannot stand. “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men. Marriage is one of the ‘basic civil rights of man,’ fundamental to our very existence and survival.”

(Actually, one of the arguments against the Virginia law was a bit different, in that it imposed limitations only on whites getting married — blacks and Orientals and Indians could marry each other to their heart’s content. But the court rejected that even if it were applied equally would the law stand, because the basis for the law, racism, was not a legitimate state interest.)

The second half of the argument was even sillier than the first. It was the assertion that there is no discrimination involved because, by gosh, some gays marry different-gender spouses. The commentator granted that it was usually to hide their orientation from the general public — but he was strangely quiet about defending the True Purpose of marriage, instead merely saying that obviously it meant that everything was fine because, see, even homosexuals can and get married under the present system.

Just not to the ones they want to marry.

But obviously that’s not important. So long as they can marry someone.

Such respect for the “institution of marriage.”

Feh.

Can’t tell your players without a program

Yet another off-the-wall reason why gay marriage is a Bad Thing: it means women can be replaced. Yes, that’s right, the removal of a woman as one-half of a marriage…

Yet another off-the-wall reason why gay marriage is a Bad Thing: it means women can be replaced. Yes, that’s right, the removal of a woman as one-half of a marriage (at least among marriages between gay men) would be a defeat for women’s rights. Or their right to be brides. Or something like that.

Our [Canadian] Constitution’s phrases about “not discriminate” once meant “not treat unfairly,” but is now re-interpreted as “not distinguish.” It is taken to mean that men and women are the very same thing.
But they are not the same. Over the last hundred years there has been good progress in getting women represented in such institutions as the courts and parliament. If it is now decided that a man can represent a woman, will there be any necessity to have women in other institutions?

Right. If women can be booted out of gay marriages, then they can be booted out of the workplace, too.

Men are physically stronger than women. They have more influence in society. They earn higher incomes with better pensions. They are employable even after age 50. They are not subject to the potential dangers of childbirth, one of the many uncertainties of a marriage. How can two men, two equally privileged persons, say they form a marriage?

Gay marriage — yet another attempt by the patriarchy to degrade and oppress women. You heard it here, first (unless you heard it first on the CBC).

Yeesh.

(via Daimnation)

Sanctity

Jeff Jacoby is unhappy with the prospect of gay marriage. In fact, it goes beyond unhappy. [T]he heterosexuality of marriage helps shield women and children from exploitation, cements the union…

Jeff Jacoby is unhappy with the prospect of gay marriage. In fact, it goes beyond unhappy.

[T]he heterosexuality of marriage helps shield women and children from exploitation, cements the union between fathers and mothers, and bolsters the ethos of monogamy on which the dignity of marriage depends.

Huh?

Reading carefully — very carefully — the only basis he gives for this is that every change in society that has made it possible to have sex and not deal with the natal consequences (he mentions contraception as one, and presumably divorce would count, too) has led to a weakening of the responsibility of fathers to take care of their mates and offspring, leading to mass hysteria and dogs and cats living in sin.

Well, I’m not sure on the latter part, and Jacoby seems willing to live with the consequences of reliable birth control (but why?), but it seems that his premise is same-sex marriages will want kids, but, obviously, can’t have them within the marriage, and therefore the marital safety net that protects kids (and woman) will be weakend beyond all redemption.

Uh … right.

Actually, that’s already happening with gay couples. If we had state-sanctioned gay marriage, then the kids that are adopted or inseminated into such relationships would be protected, by all the laws we already have on the books regarding child support and custody and parental obligations. Jacoby’s argument makes no sense, either for the protection of children or for the “dignity” of marriage.

And what is the threat, exactly, that gay marriages hold for straight unions? Here’s Jacoby’s trump card, his argument that sweeps all others off to the side:

Gay marriage will allow gays that are married to straights to divorce them and marry gay partners.

Never mind that plenty of gays divorce straight partners, today, when they realize or come to grips with their orientation. Heck, never mind that straights divorce their straight partners, in far greater numbers, for far flimsier reasons. Jacoby is willing to ignore all that.

He uses, instead, as a numeric basis for his claim the statistic that of those 5,700 gay couples who have married under Vermont’s civil union law, 40%, about 2,000, of the couples had at least one member who had previously been married.

Never mind that Vermont has over 2,000 divorces, regardless of the reason, annually (and folks uniting in Vermont come from all over the nation). Never mind that there’s no foundation for believing that any (let alone all) of those 3,000-odd folks left their (presumably) straight partner for someone in particular, let alone the person they ended up uniting with. And never mind that the statistic doesn’t indicate who left whom in those divorces, or whether homosexuality was even the explicit cause of them. No, never mind that — just remember that gay marriage will mean a rise in the straight divorce rate, because Jacoby has the statistics to prove it. Right.

I do believe that our society too easily accepts divorce as an answer to marital difficulties, with little cognizance of the actual trauma that divorce has on the partners (especially any children involved). I do believe the divorce rate is too high. And I believe that as someone who was once divorced.

But first off, divorcing someone because you are, well, sexually incompatible with them, is a sight better than a lot of the reasons divorces occur today. And perhaps, if gay marriage were available and acceptible in the first place, a lot of those straight marriages wouldn’t have occured — or won’t occur in the future (Jacoby recognizes that, but, oddly, mourns it).

At any rate, it’s a silly reason to argue against gay marriage, and a silly argument altogether.

(via JillMatrix)

Sauce for the gander

I am, to be honest, very satisfied with the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence, striking down anti-sodomy laws. It’s a move that is well past when I would have liked…

I am, to be honest, very satisfied with the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence, striking down anti-sodomy laws. It’s a move that is well past when I would have liked to have seen it. I think society has, as a whole, been there and moved on. Homosexuality may not be approved of by the populace at large, “but as long as they keep it behind closed doors, I don’t care what they do” is the rule of the day.

When Wal-Mart adds sexual orientation to their list of non-discrimination policies, you know mainstream America has arrived.

Indeed, even the more conservative folks I know are less outraged by homosexuality per se than by in-your-face gay rights activism, especiallly of the fringe sort. (The same is true for general public feelings about pretty much any social movement, whether it’s feminism, Christianity, or Republicans.) The Lawrence decision is not “taking sides in the culture war,” as the dissent asserted, but accepting that particular battle is long since decided.

And it’s not like there isn’t precedent. As Marn noted the other day:

Want to know the truth? We’ve been letting our consenting adult homos put their pee pees anywhere they want up here in Canuckistan for 35 years. We have not suffered a complete and utter social breakdown, unless you count the success of Celine Dion AND GOOD LORD THE AMERICANS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT, I JUST KNOW IT, AND YOU CAN’T HOLD HER AGAINST MY COUNTRY FOREVER, CAN YOU???

So I think the Republic is safe.

Where things move from here, of course, is the true next battle: gay marriage. Already, folks who would traditionally argue the case of states rights to handle matters as they wish are pushing for a US Constitutional Amendment to trump any states that might want to recognize gay marriage.

(Never mind that the vast majority of Constitutional Amendments have either been procedural, or else established liberty, not restricted it, and that the most noteworthy exception, the 18th (Prohibition) was a miserable flop.)

The problem is two-fold. First off, the Lawrence case has, by overturning anti-sodomy statutes, ripped a huge prop out from under various other laws that allow governmental discrimination against gays, e.g., in marriage or in adoption procedings. It used to be, in those states with such laws, that they could be pointed as as a justification for such discrimination. “Hey, we’d love to let you adopt a kid — but under this rarely-enforced-but-still-present law here … you’re a criminal! It’s nothing personal — it’s the law!” On the face of it, then, equal protection challenges to gender specification in marriage and adoption laws are inevitable (and justified).

The problem is, I don’t think that this particular cultural battle is anywhere near as “won” as the fundamental legality of what goes on behind closed doors. It’s one thing for John Q. Public to not care what folks do, as long as it’s not done in the street, scaring the horses. But formal state sanction of it? Well — that sort of is doing it in the street. It moves homosexuality from a don’t-ask-don’t-tell behind-closed-doors position to something that must be formally recognized by Your Tax Dollars. That makes a lot of folks — today — uncomfortable.

The current line of defense, which probably won’t hold either, is between social toleration of homosexuals and social approval of homosexuality. Or between accepting the reality that people are gay, even accepting that gays are people, and endorsing something called “the gay agenda.” Gay marriage, the opponents will argue, would cross this line. It would make homosexuality respectable and, worse, normal. Gays are welcome to exist all they want, and to do their inexplicable thing if they must, but they shouldn’t expect a government stamp of approval.

Of course, a lot of that publicly expressed discomfort sounds more like posturing:

On Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the Supreme Court’s decision on gay sex threatens to make the American home a place where criminality is condoned. He said he supported the proposed constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage in the United States.

Um, Bill? The Supremes just said we’re not talking about criminality. Don’t look stupid.

The irony is that by trying to so protect marriage, conservatives are just as likely to destroy it through irrelevance. Already there is a parallel system of “civil unions” cropping up like crabgrass — marriage in all but name, but with a hodge-podge of legal protections and little precedent regarding dissolution, child custody, property rights, etc. The true threat to marriage, as we now know it, is that such civil unions will become the norm. What final form they might take is still unknown, and thus probably more of a covert threat to social order than gay marriage per se.

Or there’s the other direction, which says, “Why the heck is the state in the business of recognizing marriage anyway?” Why, such folks ask, don’t we — well, privatize marriage?

If marriage were an entirely private affair, all the disputes over gay marriage would become irrelevant. Gay marriage would not have the official sanction of government, but neither would straight marriage. There would be official equality between the two, which is the essence of what gays want and are entitled to. And if the other side is sincere in saying that its concern is not what people do in private, but government endorsement of a gay “lifestyle” or “agenda,” that problem goes away, too.
Yes, yes, marriage is about more than sleeping arrangements. There are children, there are finances, there are spousal job benefits like health insurance and pensions. In all these areas, marriage is used as a substitute for other factors that are harder to measure, such as financial dependence or devotion to offspring. It would be possible to write rules that measure the real factors at stake and leave marriage out of the matter. Regarding children and finances, people can set their own rules, as many already do.

An interesting thought — and one that I’ve heard in more than one place. I don’t agree with that approach — I think there’s a lot of value in the current history of law regarding marriage and marriage rights, and simply tossing that aside for more ambigious indicators of implied contract would be a huge waste. If social conservatives want to protect marriage, that’s the battle they need to be fighting.

UPDATE: Over at Volokh, Jacob Levy has a good analysis of the political fall-out from Lawrence. Assuming (a huge assumption, to be sure) that the GOP doesn’t act incredibly goofy, he sees it as a possible win for Republicans, because it moves the debate from “Should consenting gay sex be legal?” (which the GOP had to argue against to assuage its conservative supporters, but which was a long-term loser for them) to the far-less-settled “Should gays marry?” question which is far less embarrassing (though, IMO, still wrong) for them to hold a conservative position on. He also argues persuasively that Lawrence v. Texas is not the galvanizing event for the Right that Roe v. Wade was.

Also from Volokh, Juan Non-Volokh notes the dangers to both the Dems and gay activists overreaching from Lawrence.

For starters, Americans appear to have somewhat ambivalent views about homosexuality. As Jeffrey Rosen notes, a majority of Americans still believes that homosexual activity is morally wrong, even if they would not seek to outlaw or otherwise stigmatize it. Whereas most Americans may oppose sodomy laws, this does not mean that Americans fully embrace an “I’m okay, your okay” approach to human sexuality. Most Americans are tolerant of homosexuality – as well they should be – but this does not mean most Americans approve of homosexuality. Insofar as Democrats — or gay activists — fail to recognize this, they may overreach and provoke the political backlash that the Lawrence decision, standing alone, never could.

Unintended Consequences

Some interesting observations (via some linked posts) on an unintended — but positive — aspect of gay marriage: rationalizing custody laws. After all, if gender is removed from the “roles”…

Some interesting observations (via some linked posts) on an unintended — but positive — aspect of gay marriage: rationalizing custody laws. After all, if gender is removed from the “roles” in marriages, then (when the inevitable divorces come along), biases of favoring one gender over another in custody battles (and spousal support) are going to be difficult to maintain.

And, as an afterthought, Glenn adds (emphasis mine):

Personally, I’m in favor of legalizing gay marriage. I don’t see that gay marriage diminishes marriage, any more than the many Jerry-Springer types who are allowed to get married now diminish marriage. I have gay friends who are, for all practical purposes, married. I don’t see why barring them from going to the courthouse benefits anyone.
There are some conservatives who say that the advocacy of gay marriage is part of a campaign by some liberals to undermine marriage in general — and I think there probably are some people on the left (or in whatever la-la land the MacKinnon / Dworkin types and their near-kin inhabit) who think that it will do that. But I rather suspect it will have the opposite effect. Let gays get married and they’ll become a bulwark of the bourgeoisie. That’s my prediction, anyway.

Makes sense to me.

Gay marriage

Coming soon to a nation near you? It does make me wonder what the effect of having legalized gay marriage in Canada would have on the US. Would we see…

Coming soon to a nation near you?

It does make me wonder what the effect of having legalized gay marriage in Canada would have on the US. Would we see an outmigration of gays to Canada? Canadian immigration laws are, I understand, pretty tough, but the same is true for the US, and we’ve seen oppression elsewhere redound to our benefit here as the “best and brightest” fled to the States. While I’m sure there are some who would be pleased to see gays leave the country, that’s basically a stupid and short-sighted attitude to take.

Would gay marriage in Canada increase the chances of the same thing happening here? Maybe. Not directly, perhaps — for two peoples as similar as the US and Canada, we (particularly our governments) spend a lot of time highlighting the differences. But this isn’t nationalized medicine. The drift of social conventions, the meme if you will, will have an impact. It will be difficult for folks to argue that legalizing gay marriage will lead to debauchery on the streets and the downfall of civilization when folks right across the border are doing it without any particular harm. (Granted, debauchery on the streets is a bit more difficult in Canada’s climate, but that’s a technical detail.) And, perhaps, if there are any hitches (so to speak) that develop (cf. nationalized medical insurance), we can learn some lessons from our neighbors to the north.

Should be interesting, at any rate.

(via DiscountBlogger)

UPDATE: More grist for the economic benefits mill, via JillMatrix:

[T]he big new-ideas and cutting-edge industries that lead to sustained prosperity are more likely to exist where gay people feel welcome. Most centers of tech-based business growth also have the highest concentrations of gay couples. Conversely, major areas with relatively few gay couples tend to be slow- or no-growth places. Pittsburgh and Buffalo, which have low percentages of gay couples, were two of only three major regions to lose population from 1990 to 2000.

Studies controlling for a wide range of factors also show innovation and economic vitality closely associated with the presence of gays and other indicators of tolerance and diversity, such as the percentage of immigrants and the level of racial and ethnic integration.

Why? Creative, innovative and entrepreneurial activities tend to flourish in the same kinds of places that attract gays and others outside the norm. To put it bluntly, a place where it’s OK for men to walk down the street holding hands will probably also be a place where Indian engineers, tattooed software geeks and foreign-born entrepreneurs feel at home. When people from varied backgrounds, places and attitudes can collide, economic home runs are likely.

Food for thought.

“Just lie back and enjoy it”

Bernard Cardinal Law, not satisfied in alienating Catholics here in the States by his shenanigans in the Church Abuse Cover-Up, is busy offending Catholics in Canada. On female priesthood? The…

Bernard Cardinal Law, not satisfied in alienating Catholics here in the States by his shenanigans in the Church Abuse Cover-Up, is busy offending Catholics in Canada.

On female priesthood? The Cardinal demonstrated his bold leadership in the Church by noting, “It’s one of those things that I don’t think about, because it can’t change. Just rest comfortably in the faith, and understand that this has nothing to do about equality.”

Yeah. Nothing.

On gay marriage? Law opined that it wasn’t enough merely to recognize that such unions were wrong, against God, and a violation of the very “definition” of the word, but suggested that good Catholics shouldn’t even dream of attending such ceremonies, lest they be seen as lending comfort and assistance to the enemy something so untoward.

He was diplomatic enough to suggest that disapproval of gay marriages didn’t mean that it was okay to go out attacking homosexuals. That puts him a step up, apparently, from Robert Mugabe, which I’m sure will come as a great comfort to the good people of Boston.

(Via Doyce, who has some fine commentary on the subject, too.)

The Marriage Trap

So Vermont remains the only state in the union to formally perform gay civil unions. What’s the catch? They’ll only dissolve the union if at least one of the members…

So Vermont remains the only state in the union to formally perform gay civil unions. What’s the catch? They’ll only dissolve the union if at least one of the members is a resident of Vermont, and other states won’t dissolve them either.

If they were married, of course, every state would recognize it, and allow a divorce. But because the only option gay couples have is the quasi-marriage “civil union,” the body of law that protects, supports, and deals with marriage remains unavailable to them. Which is grotesquely unfair, not to mention to the detriment of all society.

Gay couples aren’t “going away,” people, no matter how much some folks might want them to. The more they have to lobby to get parallel (but never identical) laws passed to reflect that, the more social conservatives are actually (a) weakening marriage and (b) hurting people in the process.

Mutter mutter mutter …

(Via JillMatrix)

Makes sense to me

The American Academy of Pediatrics has endorsed gay couples being allowed to adopt children. The policy focuses on gay partners where one member is already the legal guardian of children,…

The American Academy of Pediatrics has endorsed gay couples being allowed to adopt children. The policy focuses on gay partners where one member is already the legal guardian of children, but could be extended to gay partners adopting children together.

The AAP cites a large body of research showing no negative outcomes from such families, and notes quite a number of advantages to children in allowing such adoption. These include the ability to get insurance coverage from either partner, the ability of either partner to authorize medical care, and the added family stability that such arrangements would encourage.

“Denying legal parent status through adoption … prevents these children from enjoying the psychologic and legal security that comes from having two willing, capable and loving parents,” the policy says.

Similar positions are held by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Psychological Association.

Frankly, it’s about time. Only half the states allow such adoptions at present, while other states, such as Florida, ban any adoption by gays.

While, ideally, there might be some sort of undefined benefit from kids (of either gender) having role models of both genders, huge numbers of families are far from ideal in a variety of ways, yet nobody seriously proposes taking kids out of such settings except in the most extreme situations. Single parent families, families with hostile relationships within them, families where the parents are never around — those fall short of the ideal, too. But they’re all perfectly legal.

If a gay or lesbian couple is committed to each other and the non-parental partner wants to be included in guardianship of the kids involved, more power to him or her for wanting to step up to that responsibility.

(Of course, I also think gay marriage should be legal, so you can write me off as a cockeyed liberal commie heathen or something.)