Hey, Brian, long-time-no-chat. Glad to see that you’re still hard at it, picking on gays and Muslims (and, if possible, conflating the two of them in some Evil and Unholy Alliance against All That Is Godly and American).
So, for example, we have this little ditty from yesterday:
The homosexual agenda is just like Islam: there is no room for dissent, there is no room to leave, once you’re in, you can’t leave. Muslims won’t let you leave, homosexuals won’t let you leave – if you leave, they claim you’re faking it, so there’s no way out.
Because every group — gays, Muslims, Republicans, Christians, straights, Scientologists, magazine subscribers, employers, whatever — loves it when you dissent from the group or claim to leave.
Not to make light of the civil restrictions that some Muslim-majority countries have on apostasy. Those are wrong and barbaric. Of course, Christian nations had those same sorts of laws for centuries, so we Christians might want to focus more on the sin than the sinner here.
There’s no freedom of choice, there’s no freedom of religion – if you have religious views about homosexual behavior, you are squashed.
Really, Bryan? Leaving aside the implication that “religious views about homosexual behavior” are necessarily negative ones (I have religious view about homosexual behavior that happen to be positive, but, then, you’d probably consider me a heretic and, were this 500 years ago, have me burned, Bryan), how many people have been “squashed” of late by the “homosexual agenda” for having negative religious views about them? What does that “squashed” mean, anyway? Imprisoned? Stoned? Flogged? Rode out of town on a rail? Fired? Fine? Criticized? Not invited to parties?
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, they are Nazis. Homosexual activists, when it comes to freedom of speech, are Nazis. When it comes to freedom of religion, they are Nazis.
Except for, y’know, the uniforms and the power of the state and the Krystallnachts and the identifying markings worn on the clothing of those they despise and the, well, y’know, death camps. Aside from that, they are almost exactly like Nazis.
Or not.
(Of course, I believe it was you who previously claimed that the heads of the Third Reich were gay and that they recruited gay soldiers for their most bloody and savage military units. So do we have a reflexive principle here that Gays are Nazis, and that Nazis are Gays?)
There is no room in their world for dissent, there is no room in their world for disagreement, there is no room in their world for criticism.
I
think you’re talking about Conservative Christianity here, Bryan, not gays.
You criticize homosexual behavior, they tag you as a bigot and a homophobe and then they got to work to silence you just like the Roman Catholic Church did in the days of Galileo – it’s no different; it’s the Spanish Inquisition all over again.
Except for, y’know, the torture and the forced confessions and the burnings at the stake. Aside from that, it’s almost exactly alike!
Except, really, it’s not.
Ladies and gentlemen, they are Nazis. Do not be under any illusions about what homosexual activists will do with your freedoms and your religion if they have the opportunity. They’ll do the same thing to you that the Nazis did to their opponents in Nazi Germany.
Club them down in the streets, burn their stores, disenfranchise them, forbid people to marry them, and then send them off to death camps?
And they’re going to do this as 3-8% of the population?
Really, Bryan? Really?
By the way, Bryan, why is it the link to this video has vanished from the AFA site?
But wait! There’s more! It’s a Gay Nazi Double-Header!
Because today you were going off on the gays yet again! (Transcript mine)
They try to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. Label them a hater, label them a homophobe, and shut them down.
I am sure there are some gay activists who are, in fact, so over the top that any breath of disagreement with a perceived gay orthodoxy is met as a dire threat. The same is true for any ideology or party (you can find Christians who are that way, Liberals, Conservatives, Jews, Arabs, French, Americans, blacks, whites …).
On the other hand, some groups — especially popularly despised groups such as gays — may have reason to be sensitive to “disagreement.” To take a completely random example, would someone who calls a given group a bunch of “Nazis” and “deviants” be arguably called a “hater” or someone pathologically angry and/or fearful of the group in question? What do you think, Bryan?
It’s just like Islam. It’s just like the Nazis. […] They want to shut us down, they want to strangle us, they want to put us out of business, they want to keep us locked up and confined inside the four walls of our churches.
There’s a mixture of complaints here. We’ll chalk up “strangle” to a typically violent metaphor.
“Put us out of business” is a bit different, as this is coming up more and more by Christians who are (shockingly enough) quick to call others who disagree with them “haters” and “Christophobes” (or at least “anti-Christian”) when their positions are disagreed with.
Where there are civil rights laws that forbid employment, accommodation, or vending discrimination based on sexual orientation, these Christians are now quick to argue that their businesses should get a pass on such laws because otherwise it’s a violation of their religious freedom. Never mind that such a pass could be applied to any discrimination — particularly based on religion. Imagine someone saying, “I don’t want Muslims sleeping in my hotel! They’re evil!” or “I don’t want any Jews working around here” or, ironically, “We don’t want to sell to Christians” — I can guess which one you would pitch a fit over, Bryan.
The same is true for that whole “confined within the four walls of our churches” (which sounds just like the Nazis, right?) shtick. I, for one, even though you’d probably call me a member of the “homosexual lobby,” Bryan (or at least a fellow-traveler) have no objection to public speech promoting religious beliefs. Heck, I defend the right of such fiends as Fred Phelps to spew his bile in public.
The only caveats are where such speech is done from the basis of public power — as an official of the state or some other position of civil authority. Then the person involved is not expressing their religious (or political) opinions, but speaking by default with the authority of their position. And when we’re still talking about a country where Christians are a majority (and will be for some time), that makes it even dicier.
The other caveat is that expressing one’s opinion about religion doesn’t render one immune to criticism. This is where some Christians (like you, Bryan) are the ones to start screaming “hater” and “anti-Christian” when someone disagrees with or criticizes their religious position. It’s wrong in your book, Bryan, for gays to object to being called Nazis, but okay for Christians to object to being called Nazis. That’s an indefensible contradiction, Bryan.
[…] There is no room for heresy. If you deviate from the tolerance dogma, you’re a heretic. They’re going to come after you like Torquemada went after the heretics in the Middle Ages. They’re going to put you on the rack and you’re done, you’re toast.
Yes, just like Torquemada — except, no, there’s no rack, there’s no auto-da-fe. I mean, it’s lovingly manipulative imagery you’re using, Bryan (except for how it makes Christians sound like an intolerant group — Torquemada wasn’t looking for politically incorrect people who object to homosexuality), but it’s also damned silly.
You then go on to talk about how the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is going to send our troops off to reeducation camps. It’s cute:
[…] You say a word of complaint about any homosexual behavior, you’re going to be sent to a reeducation camp. I mean, you’re going to be sent to someplace to get your brain washed and get your mind right. Until you are willing to say you support deviant sexual behavior, you’re not getting anywhere, you’re not getting out of that room, till you crumble and admit that you support sexual deviancy. So that’s where it’s going in the military.
Which is exactly how it’s worked in all those other nations whose military allow openly serving gays. They’ve banded together for a group discount on old Soviet and Chinese reeducation camps. I hear the US Government is re-opening the hidden slave labor barracks under Denver International Airport in order to house true-blue Christian soldiers until they “crumble.”
It’s a damned scary world you live in, Bryan. Have you considered turning to the comfort and consolation of religion?