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Afternoon Bliss on a Full Couch

Margie on the phone, Kitten searching catalogs, Mist sacked out, and a basket of laundry … this post enabled by airblogging.com….

Margie on the phone, Kitten searching catalogs, Mist sacked out, and a basket of laundry …

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Christmas Pixie

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Too cute.

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Christmas Progress

A day of semi-frantic Christmas prep activity. Got done: Got the stockings hung (with great care). Got the Advent Calendar hung (and filled in for the days we were…

A day of semi-frantic Christmas prep activity.

Got done:

  1. Got the stockings hung (with great care). Got the Advent Calendar hung (and filled in for the days we were late).
  2. Found last year’s list of gifts given; created a cleared list to start inserting items.
  3. Sifted through last year’s “got a card/gave a card” list. Built this year’s list.
  4. Listened to Christmas Carols in the background.
  5. Ordered Christmas stamps online.
  6. Finished this year’s Christmas Letter (more about anon).
  7. Printed the Christmas Letter.
  8. Rubber stamped the Christmas Letter (Katherine did this!)
  9. Dug through the loft for the paper cutter.
  10. Finished the Twelfth Night invites.
  11. Printed the Twelfth Night invites. Stamped (Katherine again!). Cut. Folded (with Katherine).

Still to do (Real Soon Now):

  1. Get new transparent label stock (Avery 5660).
  2. Receive Christmas stamps (by Friday).
  3. Print address labels and return labels.
  4. Write Christmas cards. Insert into envelopes. Figure out how to fit Christmas Letters and/or Twelfth Night invites into little cards we bought.
  5. Stamp cards. Send.
  6. Finish going through catalogs. Determine gifts.
  7. Order gifts.

Whew. Is that all? Looking good!

Note for next year: out of paper for the Christmas Letter and Invites. Doublecheck label stock.

Words Meant Things

Got this interesting bit of linguistic nostalgia (on e-mail, but it’s reprinted here) that bore some comment (and a few links to Wikipedia and other sources). I came across this…

Got this interesting bit of linguistic nostalgia (on e-mail, but it’s reprinted here) that bore some comment (and a few links to Wikipedia and other sources).

I came across this phrase in a book yesterday “FENDER SKIRTS.”

Fender skits were metal covers over the tops of tires, especially in the rear. it’s not clear if they were to help reduce rocks being thrown up in rear-wheel-drive cars, or if they were just thought to look “cool.” Shrug.

A term I haven’t heard in a long time and thinking about “fender skirts” started me thinking about other words that quietly disappear from our language with hardly a notice….

Like “curb feelers”

Curb feelers were like “deely-bobs,” except instead of wearing them like antennae on your head, you clipped them to your wheel well. If you parked too clese to the curb, they made a scrapy sound. Actually, a clever idea, even if they looked a little dorky. Not sure why they disappeared off the scene, though they’re now being replaced, functionally, by side radar systems..

And “steering knobs.” (AKA) suicide knob

These are little knobs that clip onto a steering wheel, allowing you to steer one-handed (hence the nickname). I knew a woman, growing up, with just one arm, for whom such a thing made a great deal of sense. And steering knobs are still avaliable (heck, you can find them on Amazon), and all these other items can be found in various aftermarket sources (ah, the joy of Google).

Since I’d been thinking of cars, my mind naturally went that direction first. Any kids will probably have to find some elderly person over 50 to explain some of these terms to you.

Or perhaps an under-50 blogger with a big vocabulary.

Remember “Continental kits?” They were rear bumper extenders and spare tire covers that were supposed to make any car as cool as a Lincoln Continental.

Whatever. Still available.

When did we quit calling them “emergency brakes?” At some point “parking brake” became the proper term. But I miss the hint of drama that went with “emergency brake.”

Ah, see, now we’re going from obsolete or out-of-style technology to a change in phrasing. And, in fact, since folks are recommended to use these when parking the car, vs. saving them for an emergency, it’s a change that makes sense.

I’m sad, too, that almost all the old folks are gone who would call the accelerator the “foot feed.”

Now that is cool. It’s as opposed to a throttle control on the steering column or dash, which tells you just how old it is. When was the last American car manufactured that didn’t have a “foot feed.”

Didn’t you ever wait at the street for your daddy to come home, so you could ride the “running board” up to the house?

Call Child Protective Services! Or Doc Savage!

I had an early VW with running boards. Actually, “running boards” show up on some cars to this day — it’s just that the police threaten to shoot you if you ride on them (with, I’ll not, good reason).

It does sound like fun, though.

Here’s a phrase I heard all the time in my youth but never anymore – “store-bought.” Of course, just about everything is store-bought these days. But once it was bragging material to have a store-bought dress or a store-bought bag of candy.

And then it became bragging material to have something “home made.” That’s not actually a bad thing.

My mom used to sew our clothes. Now it’s easier to let poor people overseas do it for us.

“Coast to coast” is a phrase that once held all sorts of excitement and now means almost nothing. Now we take the term “world wide” for granted. This floors me.

Which is one reason why people don’t wear suits, ties, and hats aboard airplanes, unless they’re going directly to a meeting on the other end, and sometimes not even then.

But, yes, the world is getting, effectively, a lot smaller. Katherine has travelled more in her life by air than I had until I was in my 30s (maybe later). It think that’s a good thing, though still a bit “flooring.”

On a smaller scale, “wall-to-wall” was once a magical term in our homes. In the ’50s, everyone covered his or her hardwood floors with, wow, wall-to-wall carpeting! Today, everyone replaces their wall-to-wall carpeting with hardwood floors. Go figure.

Margie’s bungalow in Pasadena had virgin hardwood floors under the worn wall-to-wall, which was a very nice discovery (if a lot of work, and demonstrative of why people moved from wood floors to wall-to-wall carpeting.

That said — the term “wall-to-wall” has by no means vanished.

When’s the last time you heard the quaint phrase “in a family way?” It’s hard to imagine that the word “pregnant” was once considered a little too graphic, a little too clinical for use in polite company So we had all that talk about stork visits and “being in a family way” or simply “expecting.”

True, that sort of started going away a fair length of time ago. Not sure that’s a bad thing. Though I still hear (and use) “expecting.”

Apparently “brassiere” is a word no longer in usage. I said it the other day and my daughter cracked up. I guess it’s just “bra” now “Unmentionables” probably wouldn’t be understood at all.

Huh. Yeah, I suppose.

I always loved going to the “picture show,” but I considered “movie” an affectation.

Interesting. I suspect “picture show” was to contrast with a “stage show” at the theater. Don’t particularly miss it.

Most of these words go back to the ’50s, but here’s a pure-’60s word I came across the other day – “rat fink.” Ooh, what a nasty put-down!

Not sure that it’s a 60s term — it’s originally underworld slang (similar to a stool pigeon), and as such I suspect goes back at least a few decades earlier, at least as an insult of that style; it later took on other associations.

That said, it does evoke a nice evocative sense to it, like “you dirty rat” and the like.

Here’s a word I miss – “percolator.” That was just a fun word to say. And what was it replaced with? “Coffee maker.” How dull. Mr. Coffee, I blame you for this.

It wasn’t a case of just replacing the term but the technology. Percolators are actually very cool — but their coffee is pretty nasty.

I miss those made-up marketing words that were meant to sound so modern and now sound so retro. Words like “DynaFlow” and “Electrolux.” Introducing the 1963 Admiral TV, now with “SpectraVision!”

Fast-forward a bit and consider how iThis and iThat and Thisr and Thatr will sound to the ear in, oh, twenty years. Or less. Heck, consider how all the XYZ 2000 and ABC 2000 brand names sound.

Food for thought – Was there a telethon that wiped out lumbago? Nobody complains of that anymore. Maybe that’s what castor oil cured, because I never hear mothers threatening kids with castor oil anymore.

Nowadays, lumbago is just called “lower back pain” (and people just take ibuprofin), or else gets more specific diagnoses like sciatica or various disc problems. And castor oil was used mostly for constipation (which isn’t as much of a a problem now, and, when it is, more effective solutions are at hand) or as a punishment for little kids (which is, these days,
frowned upon).

Some words aren’t gone, but are definitely on the endangered list. The one that grieves me most “supper.” Now everybody says “dinner.” Save a great word. Invite someone to supper. Discuss fender skirts.

“Supper” seems to be both regional (Doyce and Jackie both use the term) and an issue of definition; it usually implies an early meal (anything after lunch), whereas after 5 p.m. or something, when most folks eat, “dinner” seems to be more commonly used. But you can still find plenty of debate on the subject online,

In the end, it was an interesting article to begin with — but, ultimately, too parochial and too drifting in direction. Nice try, though.

I’m ready for my close-up

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Fun at Macaroni Grill.

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Our Silly String at War!

This is actually pretty cool (in a horrifying way) — using Silly String in combat. American troops use the stuff to detect trip wires around bombs, as Marcelle Shriver learned…

This is actually pretty cool (in a horrifying way) — using Silly String in combat.

American troops use the stuff to detect trip wires around bombs, as Marcelle Shriver learned from her son, a soldier in Iraq.

Before entering a building, troops squirt the plastic goo, which can shoot strands about 10 to 12 feet, across the room. If it falls to the ground, no trip wires. If it hangs in the air, they know they have a problem. The wires are otherwise nearly invisible.

That’s really remarkably clever.

Veddy British

Dealing with an international company means spelling and terminology variations. But I’ve rarely encountered a more quintessentially British English e-mail subject line than: Harmonisation Programme. That’s just beautiful….

Dealing with an international company means spelling and terminology variations. But I’ve rarely encountered a more quintessentially British English e-mail subject line than: Harmonisation Programme.

That’s just beautiful.

City of Browncoats?

Firefly to be reborn as an MMORPG? Multiverse, maker of a free MMO-creation platform, plans to announce Friday morning that it’s struck a deal with Fox Licensing to turn…

Firefly to be reborn as an MMORPG?

Multiverse, maker of a free MMO-creation platform, plans to announce Friday morning that it’s struck a deal with Fox Licensing to turn the show into an MMORPG in the fashion of Star Wars Galaxies or Eve Online.

[…] “We see virtual worlds as an extraordinarily promising new entertainment medium,” said Adam Kline, Fox Licensing’s vice president of media enterprises in an e-mail. “We believe Multiverse can deliver an experience that will remain true to the original series, while enabling a whole new level of personal involvement for fans.”

Hmmmm. Feeling the skepticism here …

  1. No comments from Joss or the other creative elements of the show. This looks like a Fox Licensing schtick.
  2. Multiverse is a platform developer; they need to still gather a creative team.
  3. Firefly is less about the ‘verse, and more about people and decisions and moral quandaries and the like. In a way, this is the problem with a Firefly RPG, but at least there you’re just trying to be one ship’s crew. In an MMORPG — well, how many different types of characters can you have (and how can you set up common goals to balance the setting)? It’s not like City of Heroes, where you can say, “We’re all out to beat the villains.” Creatively, I don’t see how it works as an MMORPG. (On the other hand,
    it seems to work in games like Star Wars Galaxies, so what the hell do I know?)
  4. Let me repeat: Fox Licensing.

I will believe it, though, when I see it.

(via Ginny)

Fewer FoxTrots

Bill Amend will be taking the strip to a Sunday-only format after the end of the year. Bleah. “After spending close to half of my life writing and drawing…

Bill Amend will be taking the strip to a Sunday-only format after the end of the year. Bleah.

“After spending close to half of my life writing and drawing FoxTrot cartoons, I think it’s time I got out of the house and tried some new things,” said Amend. “I love cartooning and I absolutely want to continue doing the strip, just not at the current all-consuming pace. I’ve been blessed over the years with a terrific syndicate, patient newspaper clients, and more support from readers than I probably deserve, and I want to assure them all that while I’ll be now a less-frequent participant
on the comics pages, I’ll continue to treat my visits as the special privilege they are.”

Amend, who started the strip in April, 1988, and who has more than 1,000 client newspapers, is taking time to pursue other creative outlets. “In addition to Sunday newspapers, we may see FoxTrot entertaining us in other kinds of media platforms,” says Lee Salem, president and editor of Universal Press Syndicate.

Sure, there’s plenty of matierial to recycle, and there will still be new ones. But FT has been one of the few comics out there (esp. on actual print comic pages) to almost consistently put a smile on my face. I’ll miss that

(via Les)

Four down, forty-six to go

Fifty pieces of art to see before you die. *sigh*…

Fifty pieces of art to see before you die.

*sigh*

Brand New

Brand New is a spiffy website that looks at changes in brands and logos in the business world. It’s something that fascinates me — I’m very much into both…



Brand New is a spiffy website that looks at changes in brands and logos in the business world. It’s something that fascinates me — I’m very much into both iconography and design (strictly as an amateur), so I’m always intrigued by the new while pining for the old.

Current hits:

  1. Old Navy goes a bit more sleek and trendy, and so loses some that classic look about it. Thumbs down.
  2. Sam’s Club (pictured) tries to go all classy. Um … yeah … Thumbs down.
  3. The newly-merged Alcatel-Lucent (also pictured) has a new logo reminiscent of neither the old ones. A pity — I like both the old ones. I assume I’ll eventually see the new ones go up at the complex at Lucent Dr. — unless they’re going to change the street name, too. Thumbs down.

Too many corporate logo changes are change-for-change’s-sake, and all three of these appear to be in that boat (maybe not the 3rd, since there was in fact a new corporate identity to build, but, jeez, how uninspiring can you get?).

Something about Mary (Poppins)

If Mary Poppins had been a horror film, the trailer for it would have looked a lot like “Scary Mary” — which is recut/remixed from actual Mary Poppins footage….

If Mary Poppins had been a horror film, the trailer for it would have looked a lot like “Scary Mary” — which is recut/remixed from actual Mary Poppins footage.

The real (literary) Mary Poppins was a bit spooky … and, well, we all know how I feel about the lady.

(via DisneyBlog)

It’s all about me (some more)

I did this last time in … hmm, almost three years ago. Top 5 things wrong in my field of vision right now: Desk sure is a mess. Hmmm ……

I did this last time in … hmm, almost three years ago.

Top 5 things wrong in my field of vision right now:

  1. Desk sure is a mess.
  2. Hmmm … that review is late.
  3. I could probably take that old budget report off my bulletin board.
  4. Damn … behind in getting Christmas cards (like that one there) out.
  5. Wall clock in the conference room needs new batteries.

Name four things you wished you had:

  1. More time.
  2. More money. A lot more.
  3. More sleep.
  4. More snuggles with my honey.

Name four smells you love:

  1. Apples and cinnamon.
  2. Garlic and onions (sauteeing).
  3. Fresh-baking/ed bread.
  4. Sizzling slabs o’ beef. Or bacon. Or maybe bacon wrapped around beef …

Name four things you are thinking about:

  1. Status report due at Noon.
  2. Behind on that and that and that … and, oh, yeah, that.
  3. Hmmm. Busy night tonight. Hope to get some CoX in.
  4. TGTIF — though way too much to do then, too.

Name four things you did today:

  1. Drove to work.
  2. E-mail.
  3. Phone calls.
  4. Blogged.

Top 5 songs of the right now:

  1. “My Heart, iidasenai, Your Heart, tashikametai (tv length)” from Aa! Megami-sama
  2. “Inflight Fight” from The Living Daylights
  3. “The Yew Tree” from Anthem for the Common Man (Battlefield Band)
  4. “Early on One Christmas Morn” from Christmas (Bruce Cockburn)
  5. “Richard Cory” from Sounds of Silence (Simon & Garfunkel)

(Determined by sorting iTunes by ratings and looking for some of the most recent plays)

Last thing you:

  • Did: Went and got a print-out of a salary action form from the printer.
  • Read: Not counting web content, the current issue of Birds of Prey, this morning while getting dressed.
  • Watched on TV: The Daily Show, a couple of nights ago.

Who do you want to:

  • Kill: Nobody, personally. Any number of terrorists and tyrants, impersonally.
  • Hear from: I stay in touch with most of the people I want to stay in touch with. Haven’t talked with Margie today, though.
  • Look like: Me, minus about another 15 lbs.
  • Be like: The guy who follows all the advice I give others.

Last time:

  • Last song you heard: “We Wish You a Merry Christmas” on the album Season’s Greetings.
  • Last movie you saw: Destroy All Planets (on DVD).
  • Last movie you saw on the big screen: Um … no idea.
  • Last thing you had to drink: Coffee. “Vanilla Nut” blend. Black.
  • Last thing you ate: Kudo breakfast bar (peanut butter).
  • Last time you cried: Can’t recall.
  • Last time you smiled: Passing wave at someone at the front desk earlier this morning.
  • Last time you laughed: Probably last night with Margie, but don’t recall specifically.
  • Last time you danced: Don’t recall.
  • Last person you hugged: Margie, last night.
  • Last thing you said: “Hey.”
  • Last person you talked to online: IM from Margie just a few minutes ago.
  • Last thing you smelled: Pizza last night.
  • Last car ride: Driving to work. (C470)
  • Last CD played: The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt.
  • Last item bought: Ordered a couple of Christmas gifts online

Albums playing on the regular right now:

Various things flagged as “Holiday.”

“You Will”

Cool set of AT&T ads from 1993 about how cool technology would change the future … Reading books from anywhere (except that we do it with text on the Net,…

Cool set of AT&T ads from 1993 about how cool technology would change the future …

  1. Reading books from anywhere (except that we do it with text on the Net, not with video images from thousands of miles away).
  2. In-car navigation systems (check!)
  3. Send a fax from a wireless tablet PC (well, we have the latter, but why would you send a fax vs. an e-mail?)
  4. Non-booth tollways (except that they don’t require swiping your credit card on the dash board)
  5. Online ticket purchases (except you do it from your PC, not from an ATM)
  6. Personal video conferencing (which is cool and available … but what’s a “phone booth”?)
  7. Voice-activated door locks (that would be cool)
  8. Personal smart cards with your medical history (still being talked about, but more likely to be online than on a card)
  9. Video conferencing from the beach (check!)
  10. On-demand video (check! Though … not via a TV with a touch-screen)
  11. Remote, interactive learning classrooms (check, though more likely off of a PC than a specialized mass video conferencing console)

“And the company that will bring it to you … AT&T” — which … didnt’t, really.

Not exactly Bradburian canals, but …

Best evidence yet for water on the surface of Mars — and recently, as in within the past several years. Today’s announcement is the first to reveal newly deposited material…

Best evidence yet for water on the surface of Mars — and recently, as in within the past several years.

Today’s announcement is the first to reveal newly deposited material apparently carried by fluids after earlier imaging of the same gullies. The two sites are inside craters in the Terra Sirenum and the Centauri Montes regions of southern Mars.

“These fresh deposits suggest that at some places and times on present-day Mars, liquid water is emerging from beneath the ground and briefly flowing down the slopes. This possibility raises questions about how the water would stay melted below ground, how widespread it might be, and whether there’s a below-ground wet habitat conducive to life. Future missions may provide the answers,” said Malin.

Perhaps there’s a giant machine inside Mars, holding onto all the air and water — and leaking slightly. If only we could find some big button to push

Hence the usefulness of Amazon wish lists …

People do worse at picking out gifts for others the closer they are to them (emphasis mine). Past research has argued that lack of diagnostic information causes this sort…

People do worse at picking out gifts for others the closer they are to them (emphasis mine).

Past research has argued that lack of diagnostic information causes this sort of misperception, but Davy Lerouge (Tilburg University, the Netherlands) and Luk Warlop (Katholieke University, Belgium) found that we buy unwanted gifts even when we have plenty of knowledge. In fact, we frequently have the most trouble understanding the tastes of those we know a lot about. Not only do we feel overconfident that we’ll pick something they like, but our tendency to assume that we are extremely similar to the
ones we love also motivates us to ignore cues that don’t support preconceived notions
.

“Our results suggest that familiarity caused [people] to put an overly heavy weight on pre-stored information,” write the authors. “The pre-stored information that people possess about their partner is extensive. This elaborate knowledge makes predictors overly confident, such that they do not even attend to product-specific attitude feedback.”

In fact, the couples who participated in the study (all of whom had been dating for at least six months), were more likely to pay attention to feedback about their partner’s preferences when they were told they were the attitudes of a complete stranger.

Margie, I hasten to point out, usually buys gifts I really like. Really, honey! (And she’s always very polite about the gifts I give her. “Just the thing I need, how nice …”)

PvP – the Animated Series?

Jeez — forget to read the online comics for a month, and look at the stuff you miss….

Jeez — forget to read the online comics for a month, and look at the stuff you miss.

Karate Kid

Katherine continues to enjoy her karate classes (Shotokan – JKA) at the rec center. She’s “re-upped” for another month (January), and gave me permission to join her (in the…

Katherine continues to enjoy her karate classes (ShotokanJKA) at the rec center. She’s “re-upped” for another month (January), and gave me permission to join her (in the adult class) in February. Keen.

At right, btw, is Katherine’s sensei (picture from the rec district catalog). I have no idea what his actual name is, but he’s a great guy, and, well, Sensei.

Firefox can be dangerous to your love life

No, it’s not because spending all your time online can interfere with your relationships. It’s because some info in it isn’t necessarily well-protected or private for multiple users on the…

No, it’s not because spending all your time online can interfere with your relationships. It’s because some info in it isn’t necessarily well-protected or private for multiple users on the same computer.

This privacy flaw has caused my fiancé and I to break-up after having dated for 5 years.Basically, we share one computer but under separate Windows XP user accounts. We both use Mozilla Firefox — well, he used to use it more than I do but now we don’t really use it. The privacy flaw is this: when he went to log-in under his dating sites (jdate.com, swinglifestyle.com, adultfriendfinder.com, etc.), Mozilla promptly asks whether or not he’d like Firefox to save the passwords for him. He chose never, obviously.

However, when he logged off his user account, and I logged onto my Windows XP account X amount of days later, I decided to use Firefox because hey — it loaded everything much more efficiently, was better to work on with website designs and is a lot more stable than IE7beta2. Firefox prompted whether or not I’d like it to save my password for logging into my website. I chose never and changed my mind. I went into the Password Manager to change the saved password option from Never to Always and that’swhen I saw
all these other sites that had been selected as “Never Save Password.” Of course, those were sites I had never visited or could ever dream of visiting.

Then I realized who, how and what… and sh*t hit the fan. Your browser does not efficiently respect the privacy of different users for one system.

Who’d have thought that Bugzilla would hold so much (non-geeky) drama?

(via RISKS)

Restaurant Review: The Copper Fox

Went by a new neighborhood eatery last night after karate, the Copper Fox Pub — a pretty cool name (tying as it does to our local neighborhood). It’s trying…

Went by a new neighborhood eatery last night after karate, the Copper Fox Pub — a pretty cool name (tying as it does to our local neighborhood). It’s trying to establish itself as a local high-end pub — or “casually upscale neighborhood tavern,” as they put it — with various tasty sandwiches, beers, a vodka list, sports TV, etc.

This is the place that sent us a fun survey over the summer, while they were under construction, soliciting names and menu items; I have no idea if it was all a sales gimmick, or if they actually made use of the data, but it got us interested.

Food: Good ingredients, mixed preparation. I had a spicy chicken sandwich — a great roll, large and good quality yet bland chicken breast, almost too-spicy garnish. Margie’s tuna club was similarly well-constituted but needed some sort of sauce to make it less dry. Katherine’s burger had a good, sizeable patty, but the bun was oversized for a kid’s meal.

The onion rings we had as appetizers were of modest quantity, well-prepared (if a bit tasteless in the breading/batter), but served with a couple of yummy dipping sauces.

There were several sandwiches (and a couple of salads) on the menu I was interested in, though I’m not usually a sandwich eater. I would have liked a few plate entrees, but …. The kids menu is a bit limited (and the usual suspects), but they also serve it automatically with a side of carrots or apple sauce, and, as noted, the quality of the burger, at least, was very good.

As a pub, you’d expect the drink menu to shine. They have a decent but not awe-inspiring collection of beers on tap (their house Copper Red was flavorful) and bottled. They have a good (and pricy) wine list. They also have two pages of vodkas from around the world.

Service: We arrived around 5:45pm on a Tuesday, and had no trouble getting seating. The hostess was pleasant. Our waitress was new (first night) and did her job well; where she made a few errors, she was quite pleasant and apologetic for it. She followed up with us sufficiently, suggestively sold in a non-pushy fashion, and was someone I would be more than happy to have wait on me in the future.

She also had a more experienced fellow over-enthusiastically helping her, though he didn’t add much aside from interruptions to make sure we were doing okay.

The only serving gaffe was that they by default only bring out forks and knives, and Katherine needed a spoon with her apple sauce.

Ambience: It’s a relatively small place with a bar, booths, and open tables, lightly decorated as a sports bar (a couple of signed pictures and memorabilia), plus TV monitors all over the place. It wasn’t too noisy, though most of the open tables were unoccupied. There’s also a back room good for a party, and a patio with a fire pit.

The appointments were all upscale, going with the food. Not just your ordinary grubby sports bar, this.

The place was kid-friendly, if not intentionally family-oriented. The kids menu is small, and the handouts for coloring were kind of limited.

The web site says, “The Copper Fox Pub is a casually upscale neighborhood tavern with an atmosphere that rich [sic] in warm woods, copper and earth tones. The vibe is fun and laidback with an undertone of upbeat energy.” That seems a bit of a stretch, but it was, after all, a Tuesday night.

Prices: The sandwich plates (they also had salads) were $7 and up, so in line with a family restaurant. The wine was marked well up, from the labels I recognized, but we must have been there during Happy Hour because the beer was dirt cheap.

Overall: I won’t put it at the top of my list of places to go, but I wouldn’t hesitate to go back again (or to take others there). I hope they do well.

The Copper Fox Pub, 8236 S. Holly St., Centennial (at Holly and County Line, by the King Soopers).