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Something’s wrong when Cheney’s more outspoken on a progressive topic than Obama

Dick Cheney again reiterated his (conditional) support for gay marriage and gay civil unions, something which the White House has been mum on for quite some time.

Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

“I think that freedom means freedom for everyone,” replied the former V.P. “As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don’t support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. … But I don’t have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that.”

About which more power to him, though his statement on the state vs federal regulation / protection is a bit odd. Yes, states have defined the marriage within their borders — though with “full faith and credit” those marriages were generally recognized across state lines. But federal law is full of references to marriage (as defined by the states) for purposes of taxation, benefits, etc. Under the federal Defense of Marriage Act, though, the federal government doesn’t extend those references to gay couples, even if lawfully wed in their home state

So “historically” has nothing to do with it, Mr Cheney. “Historically,” if the state of Massachusetts said a couple was married, the federal government went along with it. Under DoMA, they don’t. That’s the ahistorical aspect of gay marriage that needs to be addressed at the federal level, at a minimum.

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We were against Federal Control before we were for it!

As I noted in the Joe the Plumber article, the Right plays a deft ongoing game with federal vs. local control. Basically, if they feel they have the votes to dominate in the national arena, or if they see some other grand political agenda they can push forward, they have no hesitation at saying, “There oughta be a law!” and asking Congress and the President to approve same.

If, on the other hand, the national stage is lost, then suddenly “states rights!” becomes the rallying cry. We hear about the federal experiment, about local control and consideration and representation. Imposing something from “above” violates the spirit of the Constitution and the heritage of this great nation.

So, for example, if the Right can pass an anti-abortion law in Congress, that’s what they’ll do. If they can’t — well, then, they insist that a law allowing abortion nationally is inappropriate and improper and “just not done,” and that the states should be allowed to chart their own course, follow their own wills, and do their own thing. Cue “Dixie.”

We see this in two other areas — gay rights and Washington, DC — and the two are suddenly overlapping.

The gay rights thing is the same as the abortion debate. While the Right felt Congress was all on their side, then a federal “Defense of Marriage Act” was the way to go. Now that the tide has turned, it’s all about keeping DOMA from being rolled back so that the Constitution might “impose” gay marriage on the nation, while fighting a furious battle in as many states as they can. When it looks like the states are getting out of hand, then there’s a debate on the national level; when it looks like the national level may be lost, the debate become all about state’s rights. Or, at least, the rights of “right-thinking” states.

Washington, DC, is an odd bird, a federal district micro-managed in so many ways by the Federal Government. One would think that the states-rights neo-libertarians of the Right would be all over the idea of self-governance, but DC’s liberal/urban/(((black))) image means that anything that smacks of self-representation, let alone DC having its own members of Congress, has hit furious partisan pushback, regardless of the principles involved. 

If DC passed a law “defending traditional marriage,” then the Right would be all over supporting that local representation as “the word of the People.” Instead, DC passed a law saying that they would recognize gay marriages in other states. And the Right is having conniptions, insisting that Congress review the law and, if not repeal it, then at least force the politicians to go on the record about it one way or another. “Local control” and “word of the People” be damned.

So I just got an email from the American Family Association, Don Wildmon’s group:

The District of Columbia Council has voted 12-1 to recognize homosexual “marriages” from states where homosexual marriage is now legal – Massachusetts, Iowa, Vermont and Connecticut.

The bill now goes to the U.S. House and U.S. Senate for their approval. If approved by both, it will then go to the president for his signature. If Congress does not act on the bill by June 6, it automatically becomes law. 

It appears that Democrats will not allow a vote on the bill. By doing this, they will keep their members from having to go on record as being for or against recognition of homosexual marriage. All Democratic members of Congress can then go back to their districts and tell their constituents that they would have voted against the bill if they had been allowed to vote. 

Etc., etc., write your Congressman, please send money … 

Accountability is fine — but it also seems the American “Family” Association (hey, if they can put “marriage” in scare quotes I can put “family” in them) is more interested in playing political games than supporting local representation, and in perpetuating “Nanny State” congressional control over DC affairs through an unnecessary vote solely to score some political points.

“Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”

Pat Robertson continues to demonstrate (if there were any doubt), that he just doesn’t “get it.” Today’s example: if we legalize gay marriage, in direct contradiction to the Bible, then the next thing you know we’ll be legalizing child molestation and zoophilia (bolding mine).

ROBERTSON: Lee, we haven’t taken this to its ultimate conclusion. You got polygamy out there. How can we rule that polygamy is illegal when you say that homosexual marriage is legal. What is it about polygamy that’s different? Well, polygamy was outlawed because it was considered immoral according to biblical standards. But if we take biblical standards away in homosexuality, what about the other? And what about bestiality and ultimately what about child molestation and pedophilia? How can we criminalize these things and at the same time have constitutional amendments allowing same-sex marriage among homosexuals. You mark my words, this is just the beginning in a long downward slide in relation to all the things that we consider to be abhorrent.

Robertson’s position seems to be that the only reason we’ve ever thought something wrong or should be illegal is because it’s opposed in the Bible, so if we take the Bible out of the equation, there is no basis for morality and people will be raping and/or slaughtering each other in the streets. 

Where to begin?

First off, places that either don’t follow the Bible or have a largely secular society don’t seem to be wallowing in blood and depravity. I’m not aware of a huge upsurge of pedophilia in the Netherlands (where gay marriage is legal), or in Sweden (highly secular), or in China (which is hardly a Bible-thumping nation). Massachusetts has had gay marriage for a while now, and sheep may still safely graze there. To argue that the only basis for morality, and the only thing standing between society and riots in the streets, is the Bible is to paint an unsupportable view of both sociology and history.

That’s not to say that the Bible has had no influence on laws in the West, including the United States, or that it provides no moral framework (good and bad) for personal behavior. But it’s not the only thing standing between humanity and The Lord of the Flies.

Secondly, to take Robertson’s specific point, the Bible actually doesn’t seem to condemn polygamy as “immoral.” Indeed, a number of folks in the Old Testament have either multiple wives or ongoing relationships with more than just their wives. In some cases this actually seems to be approved of, when not mandated, by God. 

Sure, Jesus talks about marriage in terms of couples. But that’s because polygamy was out of style in 1st Century Palestine, and speaking differently wouldn’t have made any sense. Jesus didn’t speak in parables about tomatoes or quantum physics or kangaroos — he spoke to what people knew about.

Polygamy was outlawed in the US, not because of biblical standards per se, but because it wasn’t in style for the majority. The Mormons were persecuted for it because it was part and parcel (and a very visible sign) of their religion, which orthodox Christian society found too goofy to put up with. 

Lastly, taking the other side of the coin, the Bible doesn’t actually say diddly about child molestation per se. Bestiality, homosexuality, wearing different fibers in one’s clothing, shellfish, touching a woman during her period — yeah, all those are condemned. Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t believe there’s anything specific in there about pedophilia. 

Wow, I guess, by Robertson’s rules, that means it’s okay!

Now, of course, Robertson would argue (when it’s convenient) that we’re talking here about “biblical standards.” That tends to mean anything that someone wants to interpret out of the Bible, regardless of what it actually says (or doesn’t say). When Liberals do this, it’s considered relativism and apostasy. When Conservatives do it, it’s considered being God-fearing and orthodox.

Thus, Robertson would argue that child molestation is against explicit, literalist “biblical standards” probably because it’s fornication (sexual conduct outside of marriage). That’s the only hard, literal injunction I can think of that would apply from the Bible. Presumably if someone managed to get married to an 11 year old, that would alleviate that; such a marriage wouldn’t be legal in the US, but could happen elsewhere, or it could be something done purely in a church, rather than filed with the state.

That’s not to say that Christians don’t think pedophilia is wrong, or don’t have good reason to think so. But it’s not because Jesus or Paul or Moses spoke out against the practice. It’s both interpreting and inferring from what’s (literally) in the Bible plus what we have, societally, decided is important (consent) in a relationship. Those things don’t magically go away if someone says the Biblical injunction against homosexuality shouldn’t prevent the state from allowing it.

Which raises my last point, which is that Robertson’s argument doesn’t apply just to gay marriage, but to homosexuality itself. It directly pertains to whether gays should be arrested and thrown in jail, not just whether they should be allowed to be married. Biblical standards for immorality don’t bear compromise. If, by Robertson’s take on “biblical standards,” homosexuality is immoral, then it should be illegal to engage in, not just illegal to get married within. Is that what he really wants? It certainly doesn’t seem to be the opinion of the majority of Americans, who are against re-criminalizing homosexuality, whether or not they “approve” of it. But if the primary reason for opposing gay marriage is because the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, you can’t split hairs that way.

Ultimately, that Robertson can’t look at a loving gay couple making a permanent commitment to “love, honor, and cherish” all the days of their lives, and see the difference between that and some guy trolling for 9-year-olds on the Internet or having sex with a sheep … says more about Robertson than it does about the gay couple. So does his position that the Bible and the “standards” he gleans from it are the sole basis for law and morality, and the only things keeping us all, himself included, from lives of depravity and debauchery.

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